Baccarat can be beaten
He's not trying to sell anything (yet).Quote: dickwhat do expect will happen if you sell your system? Is the game going to change?
Perhaps if he gets lucky and impresses someone desperate and they contacts him he may make some lopsided deal. You only need one big sucker.
Quote: dickwhat do expect will happen if you sell your system? Is the game going to change?
Odd post to resurrect a thread after a year.
Seems like just yesterday.
Quote: dickmay be an odd post but, I would like him to answer it. They can't change the game. according to the internet beating baccarat seems easy, all kinds of guaranteed methods for sale..
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I think the likelihood of the OP returning to answer your question is about the same as the odds of the system working.
Quote: letswinBut, I cannot reveal my system to anyone, for obvious reasons.
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When I die I hope to return as one of those immortal threads, I may put something controversial in my will...
Obviously... and thank you very much!!Quote: sisyphusObviously
Haven't checked my email, let alone this forum in ages. Years. Saw the pms I had through email then checked the forum.
Had zero intentions of bating anyone into buying anything. And had zero intentions of sharing the specific way that I play. Yes, the wizard has proven through endless endless factual math, that baccarat can't be beaten. And technically I agree. HOWEVER.....and I can't sit here and lie to myself, I have been doing something that works. I only came here to share an idea. As it seemed EVERY OTHER idea, has not worked.
THAT was my only intention. And my idea is simply this.....if you do something different? Every single time you wager. Every single time you analyze. Every single time you think or calculate? Is it possible to dance around the house edge and the 44-45% win percentage that banker and player have in the long run based on the math?
I don't know. But I do know? Before placing one wager in the casino live? I tested my "random only" approach with multiple simulators...including the "play for fun" baccarat game on wizardofodds.com/wizardofvegas.com
And turned the $10,000 starting bankroll into $200k each time (a total of 100 trials on that EXACT simulator, before entering the casino), with the highest wager never, exceeding $2500. And the lowest bet $500. To make sure my trials were credible for MYSELF, before risking my hard earned money in the casino.
Think about it? I'd have to be +80-100 units each and every single time I played the simulator. That was MORE than enough for me to say to myself.......maybe it doesn't work INDEFINITELY, as the wizards math proved no system can, but if it can atleast MIMIC the results I saw on the simulator JUST ENOUGH for me to some at least REMOTELY similar success in LIVE play? Then WHY NOT? Cuz those returns are insane!
And, to my amazement? It works better in live play. This includes, the interblock organic baccarat machines. +50-100 units a day. I started off playing 7 days a week. Killing myself. Now? Since my unit sizes are bigger? I only play 1-3 times a week. I make what I need for the week and thats it.
Have I beaten the house? I'd be a fool to say that I have beaten the house INDEFINITELY....but I am WINNING for the time being. I posted here to share an IDEA. And that was my ONLY intention. Not to share my system. Not to sell my system. Not to bait anyone into buying my system. lol...cmon. You'll grow old and die many times over before you EVER hear anyone ever giving me money for anything, or, EVER hear anyone EVER, receiving any offer of "investment" from me. Not my thing, whatsoever. Only a crazy person sells a GAMBLING system, or solicits investments for GAMBLING. That's nutso!
My idea is simply this.......don't do the same things over and over. Nothing systematic can work for every long. Not your progression. Not your bet selection. Not your method. Not your approach. I do something different every single time. Banker doesn't always win. Player doesn't always win. So system 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, will not always win either.
I couldn't get through all of that. However I seen that you mentioned Wizards Baccarat. And I assume you think you have some system? Let's set up a side bet we can stream the play live.Quote: letswinReplying to the thread as a whole.
Haven't checked my email, let alone this forum in ages. Years. Saw the pms I had through email then checked the forum.
Had zero intentions of bating anyone into buying anything. And had zero intentions of sharing the specific way that I play. Yes, the wizard has proven through endless endless factual math, that baccarat can't be beaten. And technically I agree. HOWEVER.....and I can't sit here and lie to myself, I have been doing something that works. I only came here to share an idea. As it seemed EVERY OTHER idea, has not worked.
THAT was my only intention. And my idea is simply this.....if you do something different? Every single time you wager. Every single time you analyze. Every single time you think or calculate? Is it possible to dance around the house edge and the 44-45% win percentage that banker and player have in the long run based on the math?
I don't know. But I do know? Before placing one wager in the casino live? I tested my "random only" approach with multiple simulators...including the "play for fun" baccarat game on wizardofodds.com/wizardofvegas.com
And turned the $10,000 starting bankroll into $200k each time (a total of 100 trials on that EXACT simulator, before entering the casino), with the highest wager never, exceeding $2500. And the lowest bet $500. To make sure my trials were credible for MYSELF, before risking my hard earned money in the casino.
Think about it? I'd have to be +80-100 units each and every single time I played the simulator. That was MORE than enough for me to say to myself.......maybe it doesn't work INDEFINITELY, as the wizards math proved no system can, but if it can atleast MIMIC the results I saw on the simulator JUST ENOUGH for me to some at least REMOTELY similar success in LIVE play? Then WHY NOT? Cuz those returns are insane!
And, to my amazement? It works better in live play. This includes, the interblock organic baccarat machines. +50-100 units a day. I started off playing 7 days a week. Killing myself. Now? Since my unit sizes are bigger? I only play 1-3 times a week. I make what I need for the week and thats it.
Have I beaten the house? I'd be a fool to say that I have beaten the house INDEFINITELY....but I am WINNING for the time being. I posted here to share an IDEA. And that was my ONLY intention. Not to share my system. Not to sell my system. Not to bait anyone into buying my system. lol...cmon. You'll grow old and die many times over before you EVER hear anyone ever giving me money for anything, or, EVER hear anyone EVER, receiving any offer of "investment" from me. Not my thing, whatsoever. Only a crazy person sells a GAMBLING system, or solicits investments for GAMBLING. That's nutso!
My idea is simply this.......don't do the same things over and over. Nothing systematic can work for every long. Not your progression. Not your bet selection. Not your method. Not your approach. I do something different every single time. Banker doesn't always win. Player doesn't always win. So system 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, will not always win either.
Since you couldn't get through all of it? The story, details, etc. I'll shorten it.
I developed an idea years ago (when I started this thread). Since applying that idea to baccarat? I have won a lot of money and still do today. I came to the forum for ONE reason and that was to share the idea. And share my success applying the idea. Not how I apply the idea, but the idea itself. I did NOT come to this forum for ANY other purpose.
IF, this forum requires a person to do certain things, in order to be respected, taken seriously, or remain a member of this forum?
Then I'm sorry, but, it's not going to happen. I do the exact opposite of conform. I'm only going to do what I intended to do here and nothing more. I have no interest in anything else.
I mentioned the wizards baccarat only because it is the free simulator on this website for baccarat, and i've been successful with it.
You can either believe me and test the idea yourself, or, wait for me to come posting here one day in the future, that I lost all my money and truly nothing can win in baccarat long term.
Quote: letswinAlright.
Since you couldn't get through all of it? The story, details, etc. I'll shorten it.
I developed an idea years ago (when I started this thread). Since applying that idea to baccarat? I have won a lot of money and still do today. I came to the forum for ONE reason and that was to share the idea. And share my success applying the idea. Not how I apply the idea, but the idea itself. I did NOT come to this forum for ANY other purpose.
IF, this forum requires a person to do certain things, in order to be respected, taken seriously, or remain a member of this forum?
Then I'm sorry, but, it's not going to happen. I do the exact opposite of conform. I'm only going to do what I intended to do here and nothing more. I have no interest in anything else.
I mentioned the wizards baccarat only because it is the free simulator on this website for baccarat, and i've been successful with it.
You can either believe me and test the idea yourself, or, wait for me to come posting here one day in the future, that I lost all my money and truly nothing can win in baccarat long term.
If you play regularly and for any substatial amount, I'll await your future post of ruin.
ZCore13
If you think that "beating random" is about the money, then you're really off-track.
YesQuote: letswin
IF, this forum requires a person to do certain things, in order to be respected, taken seriously,
or remain a member of this forum?
At least someone with a Baccarat system.
Quote: Zcore13If you play regularly and for any substatial amount, I'll await your future post of ruin.
ZCore13
I started off using $25 units back in early 2014. Grinding out 100-150 units a day, 7 days a week, killing myself to change my financial situation for good. No losing days.
It's now 2016, I play maybe 2-3 days a week, since my unit size has grown to $250 units. I make 50-100 units a day and then stop. Some weeks? I play maybe 1-2 days. I've taught a total of 10 people how to play and I bankroll them to play for me, using my capital. They grind for me behind the shadows 4-5 days a week. Adding to my income.
I don't have to grind anymore.
You could end up waiting for a long time for that post of ruin. But who knows? Maybe it'll happen. Sooner than I think. The best part of that for myself is? When I do post it? It'll be because there was a setback that drove me to STOP.
What I mean is, if what I'm doing, ever took a turn....say, a few days of unexplained losses? I'd stop playing it. And leave baccarat for good. I've made so much on the system over the past few years, made so many sound investments, etc, doesn't make sense for me to chase it down if it stops working. So my post of ruin, won't be ruin, it'll be my admitting that even my "idea" went south after working for years.
Just being honest here. No disrespect to you or any of the moderators.
I don't care.
I only posted to share my idea and share my experience applying that idea, to some degree. Not really interested in anything else.
No. This is where you start getting off into flawed logic. You start thinking "if I randomly pick, I can 'dance around' the house edge." What does 'dance around' mean? Clearly you're implying it means come out on top of, but there's literally zero mathematical evidence to back that up. I don't care if you turn $10k (play money) into $200k 10 times in a row. When you do it 100,000,000 times in a row then it means something. At that point it means getting someone to program a simulation using your "random" system and playing out 100,000,000 or more shoes and seeing the end result. SPOILER: I'll make a wager with you now that if someone programs a simulation selecting either banker or player "randomly" how you do, that after 100,000,000 shoes you'll come out to the house edge. If you beleive in your system that much, then let's make a bet.Quote: letswin...THAT was my only intention. And my idea is simply this.....if you do something different? Every single time you wager. Every single time you analyze. Every single time you think or calculate? Is it possible to dance around the house edge and the 44-45% win percentage that banker and player have in the long run based on the math?
You're simply getting lucky. In the short term, literally just about anything is possible.... especially with a game that's quite close to 50/50 such as baccarat.Quote: letswinMy idea is simply this.......don't do the same things over and over. Nothing systematic can work for every long. Not your progression. Not your bet selection. Not your method. Not your approach. I do something different every single time. Banker doesn't always win. Player doesn't always win. So system 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, will not always win either.
There was someone else on the forums, under a different name, that claimed some kind of "random" betting scheme for baccarat sometime last year I believe. When it came to it, he never had any kind of real evidence past "the 2 times he ran 10k play money up to 100k" or something to that effect. You are not playing with an advantage. I'm glad you're having short term success and hopefully having fun doing it... but "randomly" selecting player/banker is NOT a way to beat baccarat, and would be falsely leading any newbies whom read this thread down a very very wrong path.
Quote: RomesNo. This is where you start getting off into flawed logic. You start thinking "if I randomly pick, I can 'dance around' the house edge." What does 'dance around' mean? Clearly you're implying it means come out on top of, but there's literally zero mathematical evidence to back that up. I don't care if you turn $10k (play money) into $200k 10 times in a row. When you do it 100,000,000 times in a row then it means something. At that point it means getting someone to program a simulation using your "random" system and playing out 100,000,000 or more shoes and seeing the end result. SPOILER: I'll make a wager with you now that if someone programs a simulation selecting either banker or player "randomly" how you do, that after 100,000,000 shoes you'll come out to the house edge. If you beleive in your system that much, then let's make a bet.
You're simply getting lucky. In the short term, literally just about anything is possible.... especially with a game that's quite close to 50/50 such as baccarat.
There was someone else on the forums, under a different name, that claimed some kind of "random" betting scheme for baccarat sometime last year I believe. When it came to it, he never had any kind of real evidence past "the 2 times he ran 10k play money up to 100k" or something to that effect.
I appreciate the response.
But if you read the entire thread, or at least the entirety of the most recent posts I made in the past day or so, you'll see that
The simulator was just an example of one of the ways I tested the way I apply my idea to baccarat before starting to play live years ago. Back when I first started the thread. Keep reading, and you'll see that I've had years of success for myself. And still play today. Like I also said, I will in no way ever say that I have beaten the house indefinitely. If this is just a short term trend? Then it hasn't caught up to me yet, since early 2014.
I don't know if I beat baccarat. Perhaps the title of this post is misleading. Maybe I should title it "I've been winning, but, not indefinitely".
Would that be more appropriate? The idea is stay random. The application of that idea, is up to the person. I have my own way of applying it and it has not failed me.
All I can do is share my experience. You guys come here, trying to "thwart" me as if my campaign is to PROVE I BEAT BACCARAT. Maybe I was misleading. All I know, is from all my years of playing this game? This is the ONLY thing I know of, that has been able to win for me, consistently, for years. THAT is why I am sharing the idea. Cuz it has SHOWN to work. Do I know if it works INDEFINITELY? Absolutely NOT.
I hope you realize pending your level of play that is QUITE POSSIBLE to not have caught up yet. When you get in to the real math... variance, standard deviations, etc there's a number called N0 which refers to a time in which even accounting for possible variance you're at or above 0. In blackjack, it's the time you become "profitable," or at least not negative... Usually "around" 50k hands. I'm not familiar enough with baccarat variance/SD's so I couldn't say for that, but if you play a couple days a week for an hour (so 2 hours per week), after 2 years that's only about 200 hours. The "long run" in blackjack is generically said to be approximately 1,000 hours. Do you see how far off from that you are? Do you see how you could still VERY MUCH be riding short term variance?Quote: letswin...If this is just a short term trend? Then it hasn't caught up to me yet, since early 2014.
So wait... you're claiming with a $25 unit you used to make between $2500-$3750 per day? Betting $25 per hand? ...and now days with your $250 unit you make $12,500-$25,000 per day, betting $250 per hand?Quote: letswinI started off using $25 units back in early 2014. Grinding out 100-150 units a day, 7 days a week, killing myself to change my financial situation for good. No losing days.
It's now 2016, I play maybe 2-3 days a week, since my unit size has grown to $250 units. I make 50-100 units a day and then stop. Some weeks? I play maybe 1-2 days. I've taught a total of 10 people how to play and I bankroll them to play for me, using my capital. They grind for me behind the shadows 4-5 days a week. Adding to my income.
...Yeah, I won the lottery last week and this week and only betting $10 flat bet I won 10 million last night playing blackjack, in 30 minutes. Oh, then I boned my celebrity crush (Anna Kendrick) on top of my cash, in outer space. We're getting married next Tuesday.
You realize that if we "PRETEND" what you said is true, the casinos don't like winners. Even if they know what you're doing or not, after a certain amount, they'll just kick you out if you're winning... So they wouldn't even let you play anymore.
Quote: RomesI hope you realize pending your level of play that is QUITE POSSIBLE to not have caught up yet. When you get in to the real math... variance, standard deviations, etc there's a number called N0 which refers to a time in which even accounting for possible variance you're at or above 0. In blackjack, it's the time you become "profitable," or at least not negative... Usually "around" 50k hands. I'm not familiar enough with baccarat variance/SD's so I couldn't say for that, but if you play a couple days a week for an hour (so 2 hours per week), after 2 years that's only about 200 hours. The "long run" in blackjack is generically said to be approximately 1,000 hours. Do you see how far off from that you are? Do you see how you could still VERY MUCH be riding short term variance?
Again, you gotta read everything.
I started off using a simulator for a ridiculous amount of time. Before ever entering the casino. Then? Proceeded to playing 7 days a week, for nearly a year straight, making 50-100 units a day. Sometimes? I would have a friend play for me, cuz I just couldn't find the energy to play. Not until late 2015 did my grind finally come to a halt, and I decided I am now at the stage to branch out and invest my largest portion of winnings into more sound things. I have no idea how this will go long term. But I still, to this day? Play with much larger units than I started. For only 2-3 days a week. With that? I have a team of 10 people, who do the 7 day grind for me, with my bank roll, with a modest split, so I can keep the money rolling in.
Nothing has gone bust yet. I, like anyone who's not psychic, will never profess to know what will happen indefinitely. But if my idea can work for me? I'm sure it can work for someone else. If I didn't think so? I would not share.
Quote: RomesI hope you realize pending your level of play that is QUITE POSSIBLE to not have caught up yet. When you get in to the real math... variance, standard deviations, etc there's a number called N0 which refers to a time in which even accounting for possible variance you're at or above 0. In blackjack, it's the time you become "profitable," or at least not negative... Usually "around" 50k hands. I'm not familiar enough with baccarat variance/SD's so I couldn't say for that, but if you play a couple days a week for an hour (so 2 hours per week), after 2 years that's only about 200 hours. The "long run" in blackjack is generically said to be approximately 1,000 hours. Do you see how far off from that you are? Do you see how you could still VERY MUCH be riding short term variance?
So wait... you're claiming with a $25 unit you used to make between $2500-$3750 per day? Betting $25 per hand? ...and now days with your $250 unit you make $12,500-$25,000 per day, betting $250 per hand?
...Yeah, I won the lottery last week and this week and only betting $10 flat bet I won 10 million last night playing blackjack, in 30 minutes. Oh, then I boned my celebrity crush (Anna Kendrick) on top of my cash, in outer space. We're getting married next Tuesday.
You realize that if we "PRETEND" what you said is true, the casinos don't like winners. Even if they know what you're doing or not, after a certain amount, they'll just kick you out if you're winning... So they wouldn't even let you play anymore.
Do you play baccarat very often?
Baccarat is the one game where casinos do not fear. Regardless of the amount won in any period of time. There was a high roller italian gambler who used to bet only on banker streaks, at table max, and he went on to win over $150k a day, for a very very long time. They said nothing to him, because a year later? He ended up losing millions to them playing the same way.
Baccarat allows the casino the ability to lose a lot and win much more. So if you think my winning $25k a day 2-3 days a week, is going to get me kicked out? You haven't played this game very long.
Like I said and I'll say again. Quite honestly? I don't care if you believe me. I didn't share my experience here for any gain. I haven't posted since 2014 and just started posting again. I posted here again, cuz I have the time to post. Or decided to care to. In a few days? Or maybe 1 day? I'll not care to post again and disappear again. I'm not here to prove myself, or convince anyone. I don't care. I'm here to share my experience with an idea I applied a certain way.
Read it. Digest it. Or debate about it with me. Yeah it's your choice. :)
If you thought it could in fact work, why would you share? Why not make billions first, then give up the play. And if it's such a good system, sharing will only bring the casinos attention to it... Anyone they see "flipping a coin" or "randomly deciding" and winning they could just kick out (again pretending random picks works).Quote: letswin...If I didn't think so? I would not share.
Quote: RomesIf you thought it could in fact work, why would you share? Why not make billions first, then give up the play. And if it's such a good system, sharing will only bring the casinos attention to it... Anyone they see "flipping a coin" or "randomly deciding" and winning they could just kick out (again pretending random picks works).
I'm sharing the idea. I'm not sharing the way I apply it. I said that in the very first few posts in the thread.
You're partially correct... Especially if you're asian you can get away with almost murder at the baccarat tables... However there are legitimate ways you can beat baccarat (and mathematically proven)... But when players start CONSISTENTLY winning (and you claimed to never have a losing day) then they don't care what you're doing, they'll bar you. I know of it happening to many people who played 'cuts' on baccarat.Quote: letswinDo you play baccarat very often?
Baccarat is the one game where casinos do not fear. Regardless of the amount won in any period of time. There was a high roller italian gambler who used to bet only on banker streaks, at table max, and he went on to win over $150k a day, for a very very long time. They said nothing to him, because a year later? He ended up losing millions to them playing the same way.
Baccarat allows the casino the ability to lose a lot and win much more. So if you think my winning $25k a day 2-3 days a week, is going to get me kicked out? You haven't played this game very long.
If the idea is based on "randomness" then it doesn't matter how you apply a random pick of Player or Banker. If it did matter how you applied it... then it wouldn't be random anymore.Quote: letswinI'm sharing the idea. I'm not sharing the way I apply it. I said that in the very first few posts in the thread.
There's still no getting around the hardest fact against you of all. Casinos WILL bar you if you're consistently winning. You claimed to have previously made $2500-$3750 per day with $25 betting units... 7 days per week... without a losing day. Yeah, in "tolerant" casinos I could see this lasting maybe a month or two before you got 86'd. You'll convince zero serious/real APs on here that you won $2500-$3750 7 days per week for a year and the casino didn't kick you out/bar you/etc.
Quote: RomesYou're partially correct... Especially if you're asian you can get away with almost murder at the baccarat tables... However there are legitimate ways you can beat baccarat (and mathematically proven)... But when players start CONSISTENTLY winning (and you claimed to never have a losing day) then they don't care what you're doing, they'll bar you. I know of it happening to many people who played 'cuts' on baccarat.
Ive seen players win ridiculous amounts. Even the bonus bet players, go on playing this way for more time than I can add up. And they still are allowed to sit down and play.
The casinos, expect to win any money taken from them, back. In my case? If I go through just 2-3 days of losses? My whole baccarat operation stops and we all walk away ahead. After winning for years. So in my case? It would make sense to ban me and my team of players. But it has not happened yet.
Quote: RomesIf the idea is based on "randomness" then it doesn't matter how you apply a random pick of Player or Banker. If it did matter how you applied it... then it wouldn't be random anymore.
Well, here, I'm not going to debate with you. It would be pointless. For me to say that applying the idea in a certain way, is different than applying it in any other way and you saying it's not different. We'll go on forever. Not interested.
I'll just agree to disagree.
Quote: RomesIf the idea is based on "randomness" then it doesn't matter how you apply a random pick of Player or Banker. If it did matter how you applied it... then it wouldn't be random anymore.
There's still no getting around the hardest fact against you of all. Casinos WILL bar you if you're consistently winning. You claimed to have previously made $2500-$3750 per day with $25 betting units... 7 days per week... without a losing day. Yeah, in "tolerant" casinos I could see this lasting maybe a month or two before you got 86'd. You'll convince zero serious/real APs on here that you won $2500-$3750 7 days per week for a year and the casino didn't kick you out/bar you/etc.
No they won't. Even before I used this method? I was running a huge progressive system, and was making a fortune for months ($6k-$15k a day)before it went bust and I lost everything. This was way back when I first started playing baccarat at the trump and the showboat. They never flinched an eye. Why? Because I was going to eventually lose and they know it.
I'm going to say what I have experienced. My statements do not come with any sort of strings. Meaning? Whether anyone is convinced or not? Is absolutely of no concern of mine. I don't care. I'm posting it anyway.
This, of call things, squashes the entire idea of this thread. No math required (even though that too disagrees with your system).Quote: Romes...There's still no getting around the hardest fact against you of all. Casinos WILL bar you if you're consistently winning. You claimed to have previously made $2500-$3750 per day with $25 betting units... 7 days per week... without a losing day. Yeah, in "tolerant" casinos I could see this lasting maybe a month or two before you got 86'd. You'll convince zero serious/real APs on here that you won $2500-$3750 7 days per week for a year and the casino didn't kick you out/bar you/etc.
I'm not trying to be mean, just logical and realistic. I commend you for trying to think outside the box; that's what AP's do. However, I hope you can appreciate the reality of the situation. This is not the first time someone's claimed to be any casino game and not had any math to back it up, and that I literally have a better chance marrying Anna Kendrick next Tuesday than you do of finding a "random betting system" to beat baccarat.
We don't know your "secret sauce" to your random decisions, but in the end, it's erroneous. All of us AP's DO KNOW what the casino would do if you're winning consistently... and it's this fact that directly conflicts with your story, making it undeniably false. No casino on the planet would let you win $2k-$4k per day for 7 days per week for a year or over or whatever you claimed. None of them would. Not 1.
Quote: RomesThis, of call things, squashes the entire idea of this thread. No math required (even though that too disagrees with your system).
I'm not trying to be mean, just logical and realistic. I commend you for trying to think outside the box; that's what AP's do. However, I hope you can appreciate the reality of the situation. This is not the first time someone's claimed to be any casino game and not had any math to back it up, and that I literally have a better chance marrying Anna Kendrick next Tuesday than you do of finding a "random betting system" to beat baccarat.
We don't know your "secret sauce" to your random decisions, but in the end, it's erroneous. All of us AP's DO KNOW what the casino would do if you're winning consistently... and it's this fact that directly conflicts with your story, making it undeniably false. No casino on the planet would let you win $2k-$4k per day for 7 days per week for a year or over or whatever you claimed. None of them would. Not 1.
I doubt you've been playing baccarat for very long if truly believe a few $k a day, will get you barred. Especially from what I've seen.
But I'm not here to debate with you. Take the idea and toss it away, or give it a second look. I only posted here to share my idea and my experience. You choose what to do with it.
It's not the amount. Could be a few thousand, could be 100,000... it's the "CONSISTENTLY" part. Once they've established that you're not losing (when you should be regressing towards your natural EV) then they know you're doing something different. Giving you the BENEFIT of the doubt and pretending your system DOES work, then they would have mathematically figured that out by now and bared you from playing simply based on your consistent winning. Even us AP's in other games have to find ways to not play rated, generate losses, etc, etc, to make it look like we're not consistently winning... Though variance usually helps us out with that one... and we haven't even gotten in to the fact that IF you found some winning system there's no way you can avoid the natural variance/swings of the game, which you're claiming to do on a daily basis.Quote: letswinI doubt you've been playing baccarat for very long if truly believe a few $k a day, will get you barred. Especially from what I've seen.
I already made my choice, I'm not here to debate it. I'm here to protect those that don't know any better... some newbie that comes and reads this might give some merit to your random system, when in fact they don't know your "secret sauce" and I have enough proof at this point not to believe in it altogether.Quote: letswinBut I'm not here to debate with you. Take the idea and toss it away, or give it a second look. I only posted here to share my idea and my experience. You choose what to do with it.
1) No casino will let you CONSISTENTLY win.
2) You can not escape variance.
3) Absolutely no math backs up any kind of "random" betting selection as some kind of positive expectation system.
Notice the math, which is usually the most important, is last on that list... as the other 2 make it erroneous.
What I can't figure out is what motive someone has to make up such a ridiculous story, one that no rational person would even remotely consider to be true.
You are not winning everyday on baccarat. Period. End of story.
Keep on trolling.....
I'm also not here to debate with you guys. Save the sheep from the wolf, by all means. I'm not going to stand in your way. Like I said, I only posted to share my idea and my experience. Now I'm a troll that decides to random update his thread once every few years. Yeah, that definitely makes more sense. lol
I will leave it with this...one of my favorite quotes
"People who can't do things themselves, want to say you can't do it"
I've stated numerous times I'm not debating with you. I have read your whole thread, and you're fine to share your experiences... but you're not putting your "this is just my experience" disclaimers in there. From the sounds of the thread anyone new would think you've discovered some new "random" betting system to beat baccarat, which is 100% false.Quote: letswinAgain, you gotta read all the posts to catch up on the current status of my experience.
I'm also not here to debate with you guys. Save the sheep from the wolf, by all means. I'm not going to stand in your way. Like I said, I only posted to share my idea and my experience. Now I'm a troll that decides to random update his thread once every few years. Yeah, that definitely makes more sense. lol
I will leave it with this...one of my favorite quotes
"People who can't do things themselves, want to say you can't do it"
I've already stated Baccarat can in fact be beat, through other AP methods. Go watch the Travel Channel breaking Vegas stories to see how... though there you'll find the Tran family who beat the game illegally coercing with dealers; I'm referring to legal AP methods.
I can, and could beat baccarat myself... it's not worth the time, travel (to the casino I know of that offers the type of deal/cut I like) nor the EV compared to other things I do. At least I can honestly say I can beat the game, and prove it to boot... You can't prove anything, so please don't patronize me with quotes implying my imaginary ignorance to the game.
That was with pretend bankroll and pretend wagers?Quote: letswinI started off using $25 units back in early 2014. Grinding out 100-150 units a day, 7 days a week, killing myself to change my financial situation for good. No losing days.
Quote: letswinIt's now 2016, I play maybe 2-3 days a week, since my unit size has grown to $250 units. I make 50-100 units a day and then stop. Some weeks? I play maybe 1-2 days. I've taught a total of 10 people how to play and I bankroll them to play for me, using my capital. They grind for me behind the shadows 4-5 days a week. Adding to my income.
I don't have to grind anymore.
Please let me have a list of the casinos that you wager at, because I'd like to add their shares to my portfolio :)
Let me get this straight. You're system is a no-system system supported solely by progressive wagering and you cannot even be bothered to do the playing yourself?
Progressives with -ev games are a fun way to lose money and all you are doing is paying a team to take the pleasure while clawing forward your own oblivion.
Daftest concept I've ever heard.
EDit: I've subsequently gone back and read about how it's not a progressive system. Having done so, I call BS to the whole thread.
Quote: RomesI won the lottery last week and this week and only betting $10 flat bet I won 10 million last night playing blackjack, in 30 minutes. Oh, then I boned my celebrity crush (Anna Kendrick) on top of my cash, in outer space. We're getting married next Tuesday.
I'll vouch for Romes. It was me that sold him all the winning tickets and I held his jacket while he played that blackjack. I was spying on him after stowing away on the rocket into space, sorry Romes. Please send me $1000000 or the video is posted on youtube.
$:o)
Quote: letswinIf you want to beat baccarat? You HAVE to use flat betting. I have created something that is quite remarkable. It's hard to explain, but, the only way I can explain it, is that I am basically, fighting fire with fire. Baccarat is totally random. And, in that randomness, you have less than a 50% chance of hitting banker or player, over the long run. You have a better chance of hitting head or tails 50% of the time over the long run when you flip a coin. This is true because of the way baccarat is designed. Even 50/50, can't be beaten by progressions. HOWEVER.......baccarat uses cards. Cards, since they have a declining element, cannot be 100% random. Being that there are certain rules that create certain outcomes (stands, naturals, and then 6 card draws), a truly random element CAN BEAT a pseudo random element. This may not make sense to most, but, this is what I have created with my partner (my wife) to beat baccarat. We have, over the past 8 months, tested and tried a very effective flat betting method that has been generating us 30-80 units a day with a max draw down of 4-5 units at any given time.
What is the secret to our success without giving away the system? Our bet selection is random. Our trigger is random. And our wagers are random. And all three of those change randomly. For random reasons. Nothing we do, has anything to do with banker, player, or the game itself. Yes. 100%, true randomness. And we bet every single hand. On paper? We're up over 1000s of units. In real live play? We're up a fortune. I'm not here to give away my system, sell my system,...I'm only here to share an experience to encourage certain things and share advice.
First, STAY RANDOM. Don't fall prey to patterns, simple triggers, banker/player tracking.
Second, don't ever use progressions. If you have to use a progression? Your system is a losing system.
...
Using my advice, anyone can create their own winning system!
Now I'm confused. Flat Betting, Never losing, Making 50-100 units per day.
Whoosh, Was it a bird? Was it a plane?
No, just your ordinary everyday flying pig.
Thanks for re-confirming! p.s. I knew you snuck along... I want the video posted. Oh, but since this is going so well I'll mail you a check for 2 mill anyways =).Quote: OnceDearI'll vouch for Romes. It was me that sold him all the winning tickets and I held his jacket while he played that blackjack. I was spying on him after stowing away on the rocket into space, sorry Romes. Please send me $1000000 or the video is posted on youtube.
$:o)
DON'T YOU DARE SPEAK ILL OF MY FUTURE WIFE. Watch Pitch Perfect... and listen to just about any of her interviews/etc. She's hilarious and adorable, the double threat.Quote: WizardofnothingDidn't know Anna Kendrick, looked her up, not gorgeous but looks like she could be killer in bed
Yeah, "not gorgeous"
Quote: RomesThanks for re-confirming! p.s. I knew you snuck along... I want the video posted. Oh, but since this is going so well I'll mail you a check for 2 mill anyways =).
DON'T YOU DARE SPEAK ILL OF MY FUTURE WIFE. Watch Pitch Perfect... and listen to just about any of her interviews/etc. She's hilarious and adorable, the double threat.
Yeah, "not gorgeous"
Funds received thanks. It'll be another £2M if you actually want it posted. Not $ : Pounds Sterling only, please.
ps. I had no idea who she was so was forced to google "Anna Kendrick naked"
$;o)
Quote: RomesHa, to my knowledge she's never done anything nude/partially nude. STOP TRYING TO SEE MY FUTURE WIFE NAKED. lol
Some nice photoshops out on't interweb.
Unfortunately you can look up any number of celebrities on the web and see pretty much the exact same bodies, with different pretty faces pasted on them ;-(Quote: OnceDearSome nice photoshops out on't interweb.
<Edit>. And WoN hangs out with better looking women than me I guess, I thought gorgeous was appropriate.
Quote:I've taught a total of 10 people how to play and I bankroll them to play for me, using my capital. They grind for me behind the shadows 4-5 days a week. Adding to my income
Among half a dozen other things, this stands
out for me. This scenario would last about
a week until these guys were all using their
own money on this never fail system.
You really have to think things thru before
you start telling tall tales. How many have
PM'd him by now begging to be 'taught'
I can't even guess.
As soon as that statement was made, everything else afterwards was noise.
ZCore13
I did all this to troll (including the 2 year disappearance) and to drive random ppl to beg me to teach them. Despite my firm
Statements that i will not teach anyone.
Makes perfect sense. Lol. I have a method that for many years? Has been working. You think im the only one whos won for years from baccarat? Lol. Theres people whove used methoda that have worked for 15 years. None of us have ever denied the house edge and the high possibility that whatever were doing will just stop working. However, ive made so much money from this system up to this point that if i start losing? I will not lose it all. Thats the beauty of it. Having a way to win, and riding it for as long as it will last.
I can be wrong, but human psychology teaches us that every man believes hes thought of and done everything possible to find the solution. I have been winning and still do. I only came to share that. Im going to disappear again. Sorry, my "trolling" is not consistent lol.
But i know for a fact that each poster that has campaigned to thwart my "campaigns" initial thought was "why didnt i think of that". Then comes the internal battle. Then the reality of only being able to convince yourself and others that its mathematically impossible what im
Claiming and that if you cant do it, no way i did right? :)
Only here to share my idea and experience. Do with it as you please.
