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Keyser
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September 30th, 2013 at 4:47:05 PM permalink
The only pros bring banned are the "sort" players. (Edge sorting)
Dicenor33
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September 30th, 2013 at 5:04:33 PM permalink
Thanks
Pabo
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September 30th, 2013 at 5:41:17 PM permalink
Ha! I've been equally amused by gr8player's musings. Pair varmenti with gr8player and you have a wonderful sequel to the movie "Dumb and Dumber." Not intending to insult either individual, just their methods/systems. In fact, I believe they are really sincere in their beliefs, but their personal attachment and irrational beliefs in their systems leave them closed minded and obstinate. As the saying goes: You can lead a horse to water, etc. These horses simply refuse to drink.

If varmenti has been winning of late, then I am happy for him. I hope he continues to get the money. But his success is probably due more to plain good luck/variance than real skill. Heck, I enjoy playing baccarat as a break from blackjack. I do derive a certain perverse pleasure, though, from betting against the table, especially when it's full of superstitious people. The looks and the comments--usually in a language I don't understand--I get are worth the price of admission. Sorta like being a wrong bettor at craps. Highly entertaining.
chickenman
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October 1st, 2013 at 3:36:50 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

intersting I will have to do that i have yet to read most of his 11k posts I just fireguard the first ones were more just more nonsense like the other 10999 (:


Outstanding!!! +2
puzzlenut
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October 1st, 2013 at 5:53:00 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti


I have a winning system but I don't know how to properly prove it.


There are dozens of people on this forum who have the mathematical skills to verify the validity of your system. First they will want to know what game it is for. Then they will want to know the rules you follow, and once they know that they will be able to calculate your expected return from your strategy. If it is over 100%, then you really do have a winning system.

A number of players have found winning systems. One of the first was Joseph Jagger, who in 1873 found that some of the roulette wheels at the casino of Monte Carlo had sufficient bias in favor of certain numbers to enable him to win. In the 1950's Edward Thorp invented his card counting system in blackjack. Many people have used it since and made money. Most recently, the Wizard of this forum has found that there are some video poker machines that favor the player rather than the casino if played properly.

I have looked at your threads and have found some on the game of baccarat. I think you give a good description of a progression system in the thread "Baccarat Partner Betting," however there is generally no advantage in a progression system if the game itself is unfavorable. There are a number of posts in that forum expressing opinions that your progression system does not defeat the house edge, so you have part of your answer right there.

If you have brought nothing to the game other than a progressive betting system, in my opinion you merely have been lucky. By all means posts information about your winnings, but don't expect many people to emulate your system.
Beethoven9th
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October 1st, 2013 at 7:58:40 AM permalink
I don't understand gr8varmenti. He wants to prove that his "system" works, but he doesn't want to use math. That's like saying you want to pay for a Lamborghini, but you don't want to use money. *facepalm*


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven
Fighting BS one post at a time!
AxelWolf
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October 1st, 2013 at 8:48:02 AM permalink
Quote: puzzlenut

There are dozens of people on this forum who have the mathematical skills to verify the validity of your system. First they will want to know what game it is for. Then they will want to know the rules you follow, and once they know that they will be able to calculate your expected return from your strategy. If it is over 100%, then you really do have a winning system.

A number of players have found winning systems. One of the first was Joseph Jagger, who in 1873 found that some of the roulette wheels at the casino of Monte Carlo had sufficient bias in favor of certain numbers to enable him to win. In the 1950's Edward Thorp invented his card counting system in blackjack. Many people have used it since and made money. Most recently, the Wizard of this forum has found that there are some video poker machines that favor the player rather than the casino if played properly.

I have looked at your threads and have found some on the game of baccarat. I think you give a good description of a progression system in the thread "Baccarat Partner Betting," however there is generally no advantage in a progression system if the game itself is unfavorable. There are a number of posts in that forum expressing opinions that your progression system does not defeat the house edge, so you have part of your answer right there.

If you have brought nothing to the game other than a progressive betting system, in my opinion you merely have been lucky. By all means posts information about your winnings, but don't expect many people to emulate your system.

im not sure the wizzard was the one who originally found out or proved video poker to had an edge.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 1st, 2013 at 8:48:02 AM permalink
Quote: puzzlenut

There are dozens of people on this forum who have the mathematical skills to verify the validity of your system. First they will want to know what game it is for. Then they will want to know the rules you follow, and once they know that they will be able to calculate your expected return from your strategy. If it is over 100%, then you really do have a winning system.

A number of players have found winning systems. One of the first was Joseph Jagger, who in 1873 found that some of the roulette wheels at the casino of Monte Carlo had sufficient bias in favor of certain numbers to enable him to win. In the 1950's Edward Thorp invented his card counting system in blackjack. Many people have used it since and made money. Most recently, the Wizard of this forum has found that there are some video poker machines that favor the player rather than the casino if played properly.

I have looked at your threads and have found some on the game of baccarat. I think you give a good description of a progression system in the thread "Baccarat Partner Betting," however there is generally no advantage in a progression system if the game itself is unfavorable. There are a number of posts in that forum expressing opinions that your progression system does not defeat the house edge, so you have part of your answer right there.

If you have brought nothing to the game other than a progressive betting system, in my opinion you merely have been lucky. By all means posts information about your winnings, but don't expect many people to emulate your system.

im not sure the wizzard was the one who originally found out or proved video poker to had an edge.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 1st, 2013 at 8:48:02 AM permalink
Quote: puzzlenut

There are dozens of people on this forum who have the mathematical skills to verify the validity of your system. First they will want to know what game it is for. Then they will want to know the rules you follow, and once they know that they will be able to calculate your expected return from your strategy. If it is over 100%, then you really do have a winning system.

A number of players have found winning systems. One of the first was Joseph Jagger, who in 1873 found that some of the roulette wheels at the casino of Monte Carlo had sufficient bias in favor of certain numbers to enable him to win. In the 1950's Edward Thorp invented his card counting system in blackjack. Many people have used it since and made money. Most recently, the Wizard of this forum has found that there are some video poker machines that favor the player rather than the casino if played properly.

I have looked at your threads and have found some on the game of baccarat. I think you give a good description of a progression system in the thread "Baccarat Partner Betting," however there is generally no advantage in a progression system if the game itself is unfavorable. There are a number of posts in that forum expressing opinions that your progression system does not defeat the house edge, so you have part of your answer right there.

If you have brought nothing to the game other than a progressive betting system, in my opinion you merely have been lucky. By all means posts information about your winnings, but don't expect many people to emulate your system.

I'm not sure the wizzard was the one who originally found out or proved video poker had an edge.

Thorp was not the original in card counting he may have been the first to publish and confirm it via a computer.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
gpac1377
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October 2nd, 2013 at 5:03:49 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

He's in Canada. Gambling winnings are nontaxable.


Sorry for the late response, I'm just catching up.

Canadian gambling winnings are taxable for professionals, but as usual for tax regulations, the criteria are open to interpretation. It's a major issue of discussion over on 2+2:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/canadian-online-poker-tax-thread-7/

Here's a summary from that thread:

"Basically, if you're a for lack of a better term 'recreational player' then it's a fair assumption that you won't get taxed. However if you play very frequently and show a consistent profit for an extended amount of time, then you will fall into the dreaded category of 'reasonable expectation of profit' and be deemed a professional gambler."
"Scientists tell us that the fastest animal on earth, with a top speed of 120 feet per second, is a cow that has been dropped out of a helicopter."

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