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AxelWolf
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September 30th, 2013 at 3:09:39 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

So let me get this straight.

You tell me my so called "System" doesn't work in fact you stress it out that it 100% can't work and also Knowing I Carry a $1000.00 with me at the casino, you want me to prove myself by flying to vegas and meeting up with someone I don't even know.
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WHOOO........lets just back up here a second guys, take a breath and not kill this before it gets started.

Varmenti let me address a few of your concerns. First I have apologized already for busting your balls, after you posted a few pics and I even defended you.
the fact that you would be walking around with 1k is not something you should concerned about, I will have at least 5 times that amount.

As far as the the not knowing me part, I have been in Vegas since 1990, I will be glad to give you my full name and address prior to meeting, along with links my Facebook. I have meet with a few members on this forum that will vouch for me. I even do business with some of them, I know some higher profile gamblers including TV poker players who would also vouch for me as well. Not a gambler, but a well known gaming Las Vegas attorney most here know( bob nersesian) can confirm I have been dealing with gambling situations since the 90's. Even people who don't like me will tell you I'm no con or thief, Pigowdan may disagree

I have had hundreds of thousands of dollars of other peoples money in my possession with no recourse if I were to just walk away. Me and my BEAUTIFUL girl friend, meet up and played craps with Ahigh, who in fact I occasionally argued and disagreed with his methods many times on this forum, He is still alive with his wallet intact (: I think he will confirm I conducted myself in a proper manner(so did he), I even treated him to dinner and we had a nice chat,note: to Ahigh haters believe it or not, I think I did most of the talking. So I think your safe.

If I'm a no show, then no harm no foul. I cant even confirm since it's so far away I will even be in town at the time your here, most likely I will be. If I were to meet up with you I will come with and open mind, I wont mock your system or get in your way. I think you would enjoy my company like others have, I may even be able to show you the best deals for your money and the places to play, I could even get you some dinners, show tickets or rooms. I may play some baccarat along side of you (for fun), Perhaps you could show me a few tricks. I will not steal your system or expose anything you ask me not to... If your system fails miserably, I will only except LARGE amounts of hush money(;

Don't let other people say what will and what wont prove your system. Even mathematically proven systems there will always be someone out there that will preach against it, even the most respected successful people have haters. Will this prove 100% your system works? probably not but who knows. It will certainly bring you one step closer. will you get some more respect? With out a doubt

I say don't back out if given the chance, it just gives people the chance to say all the pics you posted and everything you claimed is all phony and staged. Any one can retrieve their mothers life savings toss it around the house and claim they won it all on 6/5 jacks or better without ever hitting A Royal.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DeMango
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September 30th, 2013 at 5:58:20 AM permalink
Has any body or will anybody test this system against Zumma? That would be a big step forward,
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varmenti
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September 30th, 2013 at 9:03:04 AM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

how have you managed to keep the fact that you win constantly from the casino???????



while in the Casino with your starting bank roll, you will win some and also lose some, End result is based on when you leave the Casino and count your Bankroll. If its more than you're a winner. I expect some days to lose too, but the method I've been using keeps my bankroll growing instead of shrinking.

While in the Casino, I lose about 75% of the shoes I play, but for some strange reason beyond belief I show a profit when counting my Bankroll on the way home.

If you deal baccarat, you will see me and my wife in action, and you will "Shake your head" to the silliness of how we play. And you will also see us lose about 75% of the time.
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varmenti
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September 30th, 2013 at 9:06:36 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Has any body or will anybody test this system against Zumma? That would be a big step forward,



weather you play 100 hands, 1000 or 10,000 hands, you will lose 75% of the time.
but by increasing and following my methods you will show Profit in the other 25% covering your losses and sending you home Ahead.

but this is the part where I need to know how I can prove my earnings.
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kubikulann
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September 30th, 2013 at 10:34:33 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti


but this is the part where I need to know how I can prove my earnings.

Wait! You want to prove your earnings or you want to prove your system? Proving past earnings seems difficult to do, unless it has been filmed (which I doubt). If the source of money was so easy to prove, there would be less money-laundering and less jobs for the IRS.

Proving a system requires that you first explain what the objective of the system is. Reading your posts, it seems to be that you claim, sometimes, winning more often, other times, winning more money than losing. A system is "worthless" only if it pretends to reverse the edge on the casino. Maybe your system is, like all systems, just trying to modify variances. In that case, you may have experienced a run of luck -- this does not "prove" anything.

Proof is mathematical. We have proved that your (or any) system does not have a positive expectation. Not enough? Well, tell us which criteria you want be proved?
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Ahigh
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September 30th, 2013 at 11:29:55 AM permalink
I just read this thread for the first time.

It might be useful to read other threads where folks talk about their winning systems before starting your own.

Maybe start with EvenBob's first post on the forum.

These threads tend to all go the same way, so you might save yourself the time and effort of becoming part of the machine that is destroying the gambler's hope of having a winning betting system.

Or, on the flip side, you could eventually become the forum's newest replacement for EvenBob who loves to do to others what was done to him (dosing with reality for how the house edge always overpowers you with enough events to do so).
7craps
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September 30th, 2013 at 12:12:10 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

I have a winning system but I don't know how to properly prove it.
I'm new to the online Vegas forum thing so Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Excellent!
winning for how long?
since 1996 IIRC

Why do you want to prove it... to anyone
other than you and your wife?
So maybe you can start a website, charge $2000 for a session to teach your method?
No risk to you. No bankroll needed.

crapsforum has a player that claims to have won 146 sessions in a row playing Craps, then the website appeared.
Only $1500 for a lesson.
a mathematical proof is easy.
just state the exact system and each step taken within that system.

The impossible part to prove is
the bet selection and/or bet amount based on a
hunch,
a feeling
or your lucky dice roll - to name a few lucky charms,

say,
you see your wife checking out another guy (not a lucky charm)
and/or
you notice a hot blonde walk by (a lucky charm)
at the same time you are ready to make your next bet,
especially when she sits down next to you.

thanks for sharing
Continued Good Luck
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
AxelWolf
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September 30th, 2013 at 12:22:51 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I just read this thread for the first time.

It might be useful to read other threads where folks talk about their winning systems before starting your own.

Maybe start with EvenBob's first post on the forum.

These threads tend to all go the same way, so you might save yourself the time and effort of becoming part of the machine that is destroying the gambler's hope of having a winning betting system.

Or, on the flip side, you could eventually become the forum's newest replacement for EvenBob who loves to do to others what was done to him (dosing with reality for how the house edge always overpowers you with enough events to do so).

intersting I will have to do that i have yet to read most of his 11k posts I just fireguard the first ones were more just more nonsense like the other 10999 (:
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
varmenti
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September 30th, 2013 at 12:23:19 PM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

Wait! You want to prove your earnings or you want to prove your system? Proving past earnings seems difficult to do, unless it has been filmed (which I doubt). If the source of money was so easy to prove, there would be less money-laundering and less jobs for the IRS.

Proving a system requires that you first explain what the objective of the system is. Reading your posts, it seems to be that you claim, sometimes, winning more often, other times, winning more money than losing. A system is "worthless" only if it pretends to reverse the edge on the casino. Maybe your system is, like all systems, just trying to modify variances. In that case, you may have experienced a run of luck -- this does not "prove" anything.

Proof is mathematical. We have proved that your (or any) system does not have a positive expectation. Not enough? Well, tell us which criteria you want be proved?



Both Methods and earnings.
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rdw4potus
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September 30th, 2013 at 12:26:10 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Both Methods and earnings.



Methods are pretty easy to prove or disprove. Baccarat is a game that is designed to have a consistent house edge on every hand. Does your system do anything at all to reduce or eliminate the house edge on any hand?
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