single deck 1 on 1 against the dealer
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Any other single deckers out there?
I tried it and got killed at 25 bucks a hand.I like playing with a full table of players that atleast play basic strategy.
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Quote: mosesThe main reason I play 1 on 1 is the option of having the A that will not help my hand or the 10 that would break my as the first card of my next hand.
huh?
Quote: mosesFirst timer here. Single deck 1 on 1 against the dealer is the only game I play other than pro sportsbook bets. Of course, I've played many years and thus developed my own sytems and thought process. The main reason I play 1 on 1 is the option of having the A that will not help my hand or the 10 that would break my as the first card of my next hand. I realize some of my theories are totally off-base for multiple-deck/players. Thus would like to avoid getting roasted in this forum.
Any other single deckers out there?
I made a lot of money playing one on one single deck blackjack in the 90's. During that time, the casinos in Lake Tahoe and Reno were mostly single deck with $5 minimums. I'd start off the top of the deck with a $25 bet. If the count was minus with an ace played, the remaining bets were $5 until a shuffle. If no aces came out and the count was at least neutral, I'd pump it up to $50. If more aces remained in the deck than normal, the bet was $100 after that. At 1/2 deck, I dropped down to $5, no matter what the count was! This confused the pit and was allowed to play at will for seven years (1990 - 1997). Now the casinos look like that casino in "Vegas Vacation" where everything is offered except 3:2 single deck blackjack.
I know you from Norm's site (Blackjack Forum). You really should stay away from casino's.
.Quote: IbeatyouracesI've got a computer game here that features the WSOP and Binions. It gives a little bit of history about the WSOP and Binions also. It states that at one time they had over 60 single deck blackjack tables. Can anyone confirm this?
Sorry. I don't know what WSOP and Binions are?
Quote: mosesJust a for instance. Suppose I have 16 against a dealers 10. I know I know everyone in the blackjack world says to hit. But if the count is high...
Nobody in the blackjack world would tell you to hit that hand if the count is high:-)
Quote: KeyserSozeMoses- welcome aboard.
I know you from Norm's site (Blackjack Forum). You really should stay away from casino's.
Here we go again...But why is that? Do you plan any single deck at all?
Quote: IbeatyouracesYou can't guarantee that an ace or ten is the next card though. And you don't staff in a high count to preserve high cards, it's the mathematical correct play at that point.
Nobody in the blackjack world would tell you to hit that hand if the count is high:-) A recent post...But that isn't my purpose. I'm wondering if anyone knows how to run a simulation where at the conclusion one could see that hand by hand breakdown at each count. For instance, doubling on 11 vs. 10 at +3,+2 -3,-2 etc etc.
Quote: IbeatyouracesProbably have to purchase the software to run sims.
Purchasing software isn't the problem. Finding the software to break it down hand by hand at each incremental count is. I was told it could be done but have yet to find the sim that can give this information. Maybe it can't be done.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI've never purchased or used any counting software. I don't know that the ones out there have the info you're looking for, but whether they can or not, I'm sure it can be somehow.
Thank you for replies. What is your game? single, double, multiple deck? 1 on 1 ag. dealer, 2 players, uo to 7 players. Just curious.
Amen to that!Quote: IbeatyouracesBetter money elsewhere.
Quote: KeyserSozeYou really should stay away from casino's.
Man...if i had a $1,000 for every time I heard this line. O wait...I do. Let's see, I've heard it from judgmental family members that were losing their life savings of mis-managed IRAs in the stock market. I've heard from those that say it's no way to make a living, yet scoff at my early retirement and the have the audacity to ask for a loan...in almost the very next sentence. I've heard it from Christian's that believed it's a sin (win or Lose). Oh yes, I've heard that suggestion quite often from pit-bosses followed by "we choose not to play you anymore". Even though I did my best in my original post to say that I'd rather not get into a whizzing contest with a multi deck player that doesn't have a clue about single deck (as I don't about multiple deck/players) or my strategy or the success, it seems I've hooked another self-professed counting expert right out of the gate.
So since your condescending remark is just another version of the same, I just have to ask...which one are you?
Quote: mosesJust a for instance. Suppose I have 16 against a dealers 10. I know I know everyone in the blackjack world says to hit. But if the count is high, I'm most likely gooing to lose anything. So by standing, I get an Ace or 10 to start my next hand with - which is often turns out ot be a blackjack.
I too made the bulk of my profits playing single deck and sometimes I miss it.
What count are you using? Wouldn't index play rather than anticipating the card for the next hand dictate your decisions? How many of the 90 or so variations have you memorized for single deck?
Quote: 1BBI too made the bulk of my profits playing single deck and sometimes I miss it.
What count are you using? Wouldn't index play rather than anticipating the card for the next hand dictate your decisions? How many of the 90 or so variations have you memorized for single deck?
Again, I will reiterate for all multi-deck players...This is for "single deck 1 on 1 only". It will make no sense to you. It would be like to trying to implement the same system for betting football and baseball...two totally different games.
I don't necessarily use a count per say but rather work off a percentage basis. I suppose, for illustration purpose, its the Silver Fox count. The exception is I include/move the 8's in certain situations. I was weaned from the Thorpe philosophy. Thus I realize I don't always speak the same langauge as conventional methods. The system does not need to be blown up and another inserted but rather some clarification in certain area's for my own peace of mind.
My understanding is index play is normally considered for insurance purposes. If so, to answer your question, I insure 10,11,18,19,20,21 at 12+...meaning 12 more A-8s are played than 9-10s. This math equates to a 50-50 possibility either the 10 or 9 is the hole card.
I'm not sure what you mean by 90 or so variations? Every card is accounted for and this dictates the next move or when to increase the bet size.
Notorious losing hands increase with 14, 15, and 16 but I've learned these hands can be your friend in a negative deck. Generally speaking, standing on them in a positive deck has proved to be more beneficial than hitting. Hence, the final act is trying to determine exactly where to draw the line (between negative and positive) and not have it so jagged that I can't remember it.
Knowing exactly when to increase bet size and when to double (or not) on 10 and 11 keeps me in the black and reduces volatility. Firming up the 14,15, 16 debate would make the game more worthwhile.
Perhaps if you could explain your philosophy on hitting/standing 14,15, and 16 (in single deck 1 on 1) might be a good starting point for discussion.
Quote: moses
Perhaps if you could explain your philosophy on hitting/standing 14,15, and 16 (in single deck 1 on 1) might be a good starting point for discussion.
Make the best mathematical play. They're most often the same for single and multideck basic strategy. There area few differences, like standing on 77vT in single deck. But standing on 15vT in single deck because "I'm sure the next card is an A or T" is utterly stupid. The first card of the next hand has about a 8/13 chance of not being an A or T ... but here's the key point you're missing. Your action on the previous hand doesn't change the probability of getting an A or T on the next hand at all.
Quote: sabreMake the best mathematical play. They're most often the same for single and multideck basic strategy. There area few differences, like standing on 77vT in single deck. But standing on 15vT in single deck because "I'm sure the next card is an A or T" is utterly stupid. The first card of the next hand has about a 8/13 chance of not being an A or T ... but here's the key point you're missing. Your action on the previous hand doesn't change the probability of getting an A or T on the next hand at all.
Utterly Stupid, So you're saying you always stand on 15 vs 10. Every card counting system has a certain positive where they stand on 15 v 10.
Wong Halves is +4; High opt is +3: Reko is +2; So...if you're practicing what you're preaching...you've just called some of the greatest minds in blackjack "stupid".
Quote: mosesUtterly Stupid, So you're saying you always stand on 15 vs 10. Every card counting system has a certain positive where they stand on 15 v 10.
Wong Halves is +4; High opt is +3: Reko is +2; So...if you're practicing what you're preaching...you've just called some of the greatest minds in blackjack "stupid".
Come on, moses. Nobody said that they always stand on 15 vs 10.
You play single deck heads up. You use a Hi-Lo variant which is okay but certainly not the best count for that game. You don't understand index play and you brag about all the money you make. Of course people are going to have questions. Where are all these single deck games where you are allowed to win all this money without getting backed off?
By the way, someone mentioned that you post on Norm's site so I took a look. You've got 236 posts since Aug. 20th. Very impressive.
Quote: 1BBCome on, moses. Nobody said that they always stand on 15 vs 10.
You play single deck heads up. You use a Hi-Lo variant which is okay but certainly not the best count for that game. You don't understand index play and you brag about all the money you make. Of course people are going to have questions. Where are all these single deck games where you are allowed to win all this money without getting backed off?
By the way, someone mentioned that you post on Norm's site so I took a look. You've got 236 posts since Aug. 20th. Very impressive.[
Did you read the previous qoute? Never got backed off? The term I use is banned...And that happens all too often. Staying in the black isn't necessarily bragging about a boat load of money. Not trying to set any records at 236 but rather in search of answers and bored in the off season.
Quote: 1BBI too made the bulk of my profits playing single deck and sometimes I miss it.
You miss it? So why did you stop playing?
Quote: mosesYou miss it? So why did you stop playing?
I meant I miss the single deck games that I played in the good old days when you could make decent money. I didn't stop playing and put in about 500 hours a year more for recreation than trying to make a living. There are no single deck games in my neck of the woods. My wife and I have many interests but traveling to smoky, smelly casinos for the sole purpose of playing blackjack is no longer one of them. Blackjack has been very good to me since the 1970s and other than hitting the casinos I have never had to work a day in my life.
I still do well, in fact I bought a new car for a family member with some of my 2012 earnings. I would not want to go solo today for a living, especially with only straight counting. I take my hat off to the few guys and girls who do because I know how difficult it can be. Yes, I still make it to Vegas a couple of times a year.
Quote: 1BBI meant I miss the single deck games that I played in the good old days when you could make decent money. I didn't stop playing and put in about 500 hours a year more for recreation than trying to make a living. There are no single deck games in my neck of the woods. My wife and I have many interests but traveling to smoky, smelly casinos for the sole purpose of playing blackjack is no longer one of them. Blackjack has been very good to me since the 1970s and other than hitting the casinos I have never had to work a day in my life.
I still do well, in fact I bought a new car for a family member with some of my 2012 earnings. I would not want to go solo today for a living, especially with only straight counting. I take my hat off to the few guys and girls who do because I know how difficult it can be. Yes, I still make it to Vegas a couple of times a year.
My prime playing time was mid to late 80s. But got banned nearly everywhere and had to raise my family. Now it's just a hobby, like golf for some. I've learned to stay under the radar for the most part but improving the minimum bet hands has proved to be a challenge to make it a worthwhile hobby. My understanding in Reno is about the only place you can play 3.2 single deck nowadays and its seems the consensus of opinion the games are not very good.
Glad to hear you are living the good life. Sounds like you've earned that right. God Bless.
