drjohnny
drjohnny
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September 3rd, 2012 at 12:11:27 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

IMO, very poor instructions on how he plays his method BTW... in other words
one can not have a computer play 1 billion shoes with his betting instructions. Way to vague.



Unlike a card counting system for blackjack, my system cannot be accurately reproduced with a computer program since many of my bets are based on gut feeling when I don't see any patterns or streaks.

I lost 6 in a row multiple times but I was lucky enough to win the 7th bet almost every time.
I highly doubt I won 60% of my bets. I'm guessing it's very close to 50%.
7craps
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September 3rd, 2012 at 12:14:48 PM permalink
Quote: drjohnny

One of the keys to my system is that I bet with streaks and chops, never against them.

You are still not specific on exactly how you bet.
What length of winning streak do you start to bet with?
If Player wins 3 in a row, you Marty the next 7 Player hands?
If Banker wins 3 in a row, you Marty the next 7 Banker hands?
or is it 4 in a row.

You Need to be very exact so this can be programmed into a computer.

You bet with a chop.
A chop with what exact length?

example:
BPB
so you bet PBPBPBP max until a win?
Or is your chop trigger a
PBPB and you bet BPBPBPB for one win
if not, then what is the exact triger you use.

Exact betting methods can be calculated exactly by math and simulations.


But you should be a multi-billionaire if you have only lost 7 in a row one time in 10 years.
You should have the largest Baccarat syndicate in the Universe playing every Bac table in every casino.

What has stopped you?
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
7craps
7craps
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September 3rd, 2012 at 12:16:45 PM permalink
Quote: drjohnny

my system cannot be accurately reproduced with a computer program since many of my bets are

based on gut feeling when I don't see any patterns or streaks.

Then why are you here asking about the math knowing your method it can not be calculated?

Gut feelings are great!
We can ALL take that to the bank

Good Luck Bac player
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
Mission146
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September 3rd, 2012 at 12:24:11 PM permalink
Quote: drjohnny

One of the keys to my system is that I bet with streaks and chops, never against them.

I encountered a banker streak of 9 in the very first shoe.
In the 4th shoe I encountered a banker streak of 13 and in the 74th & 80th shoes I encountered banker streaks of 12.

I've seen 2 separate streaks in the casino that exceeded 20 and after many years of getting wiped out by betting against them, I finally realized it's much wiser to bet with them.



Oh, no.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
drjohnny
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September 3rd, 2012 at 12:33:48 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

You are still not specific on exactly how you bet.
What length of winning streak do you start to bet with?
If Player wins 3 in a row, you Marty the next 7 Player hands?
If Banker wins 3 in a row, you Marty the next 7 Banker hands?
or is it 4 in a row.

You Need to be very exact so this can be programmed into a computer.

You bet with a chop.
A chop with what exact length?

example:
BPB
so you bet PBPBPBP max until a win?
Or is your chop trigger a
PBPB and you bet BPBPBPB for one win
if not, then what is the exact triger you use.

Exact betting methods can be calculated exactly by math and simulations.


But you should be a multi-billionaire if you have only lost 7 in a row one time in 10 years.
You should have the largest Baccarat syndicate in the Universe playing every Bac table in every casino.

What has stopped you?



I learned many years ago that sticking to an inflexible bet selection is a sure recipe for disaster.

A pattern of 3 or 4 will normally trigger me to follow that pattern, but if it suddenly breaks then I'll just make a random bet.

I should've been more specific in saying that I just developed this system in the past few months after discovering that most pro BJ and craps teams play with +500 unit bankrolls.
7craps
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September 3rd, 2012 at 12:43:48 PM permalink
Quote: drjohnny


A pattern of 3 or 4 will normally trigger me to follow that pattern, but if it suddenly breaks then I'll just make a random bet.

3 OR 4?
IT can not be 3 or 4.
Either 3 and not 4 or 4 and not 3.

What is the difference.
I forgot.
Your gut.

Do you flip 2 coins and when BOTH are HEADS you bet banker and when BOTH are TAILS you bet Player?
And you flip one more time if the first 2 flips end in a tie?

I think this would work even better than a gut feeling or betting with a streak or a chop.
I'm off to BBQ and prove my method.

Results For Baccarat Syndicates Only.

Good Luck
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
buzzpaff
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September 3rd, 2012 at 1:28:48 PM permalink
" many of my bets are based on gut feeling when I don't see any patterns or streaks. "

Gee, and I thought you were just gambling. SILLY ME .
drjohnny
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September 3rd, 2012 at 1:40:21 PM permalink
7craps, flipping a coin to determine the next bet would probably work just fine with my system.

I didn't think a Martingale system could survive after 100 hand-dealt shoes, but it did and that's why I'm posting about it.

I included complete results for each shoe in a small text file I attached to the baccaratforums.com post if you want to know my betting patterns.
estebanrey
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October 5th, 2012 at 10:32:53 AM permalink
You got lucky, it's as simple as that.

I know because I did something similar. About 6 months ago (before I started following this site and learning a hell of a lot) I turned £20 into £250 simply using martingale on Betfair's zero Baccarat (although I did it by betting on the player so actually the house had the same edge as normal baccarat). After I was up to £100 I naively thought I had a foolproof 'system' so I wrote a quick bot that would play for me using my strategy (in my case the stakes went £1, £2, £4, £8, £16, then back to £1 if I'd lost 5 hands in a row).

I was so confident I set the bot running and went to bed for an hour or so. When I woke up I had over £260 so I stopped the bot and decided to not ride my luck any further. I withdrew the cash (online casino) and used it as spending money on my holiday.

When I got back from sunny Spain, I thought I'd do it again. I deposited £20 and set the bot off. Within 10 minutes I'd lost my entire bank roll. So I put in another 20 but this time bet on the banker and again I soon was bankrupt, I tried once more with a tenner betting on whoever won the last hand and once again that deposit didn't last very long.

It was at that point I realised I'd just been a 'victim' of beginners luck and it was around that time I found the Wizard Of Odds site and started doing some calculations. I'm still up on the said site but I've dropped the dreams of making a living from my 'system' and just play for fun now.
Mission146
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October 5th, 2012 at 10:41:10 AM permalink
Is there not a stipulation in the Rules that you may not use any kind of computer program to play for you, or do they not care provided it is not Poker?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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