Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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August 25th, 2012 at 10:54:51 AM permalink
Quote: CrapsForever

My wife (Who hates gambling) has played Roulette 7 total times and won 5 times with the same number in 3 different countries: The #17

I can top that. Here is the Wizard's Prime Number System, for use on double-zero roulette.

If you are north of the equator:

1. Bet \$1 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose, repeat up to 35 times or until you win.
2. If you haven't won after 35 spins, bet \$2 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 53rd spin or first win.
3. If you haven't won after 53 spins, bet \$3 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 65th spin or first win.
4. If you haven't won after 65 spins, bet \$4 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 74th spin or first win.
5. If you haven't won after 74 spins, bet \$5 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 81st spin or first win.
6. If you haven't won after 81 spins, bet \$6 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 87th spin or first win.
7. If you haven't won after 87 spins, bet \$7 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 92nd spin or first win.
8. If you haven't won after 92 spins, bet \$8 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 96th spin or first win.
9. If you haven't won after 96 spins, bet \$9 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 100th spin or first win.
10. If you haven't won after 100 spins, bet \$10 on any prime number. If you win, walk, if you lose repeat until the 104th spin or first win.

If playing south of the equator, bet on composite numbers only.

This system will win 93.8% of the time. However, the other 6.2% you will lose \$357. Results even better in single-zero roulette.

Now before I get misquoted, this system is just as worthless as every other one, but at least it is free.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
tringlomane
Joined: Aug 25, 2012
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August 25th, 2012 at 11:15:40 AM permalink
Quote: CrapsForever

My wife (Who hates gambling) has played Roulette 7 total times and won 5 times with the same number in 3 different countries: The #17

What are the odds of that???

Last victory was last Saturday. Next time, I'm in a Casino with her; I'm putting \$100 straight-up on the #17.

For only a total of 7 spins ever?? Not 7 sessions of spins? There is a big difference...

For only 7 lifetime spins, hitting 5 or more of a particular number in 7 spins is:

1 in 3.94 million for an American wheel (double zero)
1 in 3.46 million for an European wheel (single zero)
CrapsForever
Joined: Mar 6, 2012
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August 25th, 2012 at 12:20:40 PM permalink
7 lifetime spins in Venice (Italy), Lucerne (Switzerland), Nassau (Bahamas) and on a Norwegian Cruise to the Western Caribbean; total of 7 spins over a 3 year period.

She'll only play Roulette when I force her to follow me to a Casino while on vacation...

Tringlomane, Thanks for the Stats!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
Mission146
Joined: May 15, 2012
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August 25th, 2012 at 1:19:45 PM permalink
The Wizard's system is pretty good, but Mosca's is even better.

I recall him once saying in a thread that the best strategy is simply to immediately pick the number that is going to hit.
Vultures can't be choosers.
MarieBicurie
Joined: Sep 17, 2010
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August 25th, 2012 at 1:57:59 PM permalink
What if I am north of the equator, but the online casino I am playing at is south of the equator? This game is too hard...
dealerwins
Joined: May 18, 2011
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August 25th, 2012 at 4:09:30 PM permalink
Why does roulette of all games attract so many people who think it is beatable.

The maths with roulette are simple, and it should be obvious to everyone that it cannot be beat.

I just dont get it. (Other than scammers trying to scam people by selling systems etc)
EvenBob
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August 25th, 2012 at 4:21:59 PM permalink
Quote: dealerwins

Why does roulette of all games attract so many people who think it is beatable.

Because it has so many places on the layout to
place a bet. People are convinced there is some
heretofore un-thought-of combo of bets that just
has to overcome the edge.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Mission146
Joined: May 15, 2012
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August 25th, 2012 at 4:53:30 PM permalink
Quote: dealerwins

Why does roulette of all games attract so many people who think it is beatable.

The maths with roulette are simple, and it should be obvious to everyone that it cannot be beat.

I just dont get it. (Other than scammers trying to scam people by selling systems etc)

The answer to that question, in my opinion, is simply because there are so mnay potential systems due to the various bets.

I believe that Roulette probably has more betting options than most, if not all, other Table Games commonly found in a casino.

Let's say I wanted to make only \$1 Bets, but I wanted to make every possible profitable bet in one go, I could make a bet such as:

Black
Odd
19-36
13-24 & 25-36
Five Sixlines
Eight Corners
11 Streets
17 Splits
35 Individual Numbers

Black-29, for example, could be at least a part of every one of these bets, and I would win \$1.00 on each bet (set of bets).

When you get into combinations of Streets, Splits, Individual Numbers, Corners, Sixlines, Martingales, Reverse Martingales, Presses, Laboucheres, Reverse Labougheres, Kelly, etc. ad nauseum, you can essentially just make a ridiculous number of bets at the Roulette Table. I don't know off of the top of my head how many combinations of bets there are, but I'm sure the answer is a huge number.

There's just more room to come up with goofy things that look really good, and have a high win rate, until the Math gets slapped down on them. I know a guy who starts with a buck and Martingales Red/Even/1-19/2 Rows/, every time one of his selections wins, he goes back down to \$1 on it. Obviously, if one of the rows wins, the Martingale continues on the non-winning row. He stops his Martingale at \$16 (5 Consecutive Losses) except each row stops at \$32. When one of his bets is stopped, it's done for the night. If he profits the stop point of \$16 on one of the Even Money Bets, or \$16 on either row, then that bet is done for the night. When all bets have either made \$16 or lose \$16/\$32, he's done playing Roulette.

I'd go there just to watch, except he is one of my old friends from Missouri.

Anyway, sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses, but that's his, "System," as it were. He calls it the, "Multi-Marty."

What bets can you make in BJ for a system? You can put your chips in the betting circle, only so many ways to spin that...
Vultures can't be choosers.
charliepatrick
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
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August 25th, 2012 at 4:56:53 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I wonder which is more:

A. Number of players to believe they have a long-term winning betting system.
B. Number of players to believe they could invent a casino game equal or better to what is out there now.
C. Number of players to believe both A and B.
D. Number of times somebody has remarked "The hard part is keeping the weight off" in the HB challenge thread.

A 0 B ? D 0 is my vote!
Interesting question as I imagine there are a few, a very few, here who can make money from Blackjack - sadly I'm not one of them! Also there are certainly a few here who have invented a casino game - now I admit I'm hoping to find that holy grail (or else take a photograph that makes megabucks) but am realistic enough to sense it is unlikely.
MangoJ
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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August 26th, 2012 at 12:03:48 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Because it has so many places on the layout to place a bet. People are convinced there is some heretofore un-thought-of combo of bets that just has to overcome the edge.

That's probably the correct answer. But I really can't get into that thinking why people come in and out asking those questions.

It's as simple as that: If all you can do is add up negative numbers, it will never turn up positive because there is a "yet unthought combination". It's right, you didn't check *all* combinations - you don't have to be sure about this simple fact.

Personally I like roulette, although it's house edge is large - you have perfect control about a fairly large range of variance. This variance control can be used to make +EV play under special conditions.