What is the worst anyone can do playing Roulette?
Quote: rdw4potus20 minutes to learn the payouts on various bets, 3 minutes to learn the house edge on each payout, 37 minutes to read about how combining bets with a negative expectation results in a negative expectation.......what are the other 8 hours for? :-)
Thats fine, I'll re-word it. 9 hours or less, better?
BTW, thank you for your OPINION, much appreciated.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjThats fine, I'll re-word it. 9 hours or less, better?
BTW, thank you for your OPINION, much appreciated.
Ken
Glad you like it. Just out of curiosity, how much FACT has to be involved with someone else's OPINION before you realize that YOU'RE just laughably wrong?
Correct? Its actually minus 2% for you, blah blah blah, we all know the scam.
Ken
Quote: mrjjj
Correct? Its actually minus 2% for you, blah blah blah, we all know the scam.
Ken
What makes you think it's a scam? I just wait until a game with a progressive prize gets high enough to not have a house edge, then I play it. Sometimes that's Video Poker, sometimes it's 3 card poker, sometimes 4 card poker, sometimes Ultimate Texas Holdem or Let it Ride. In a game where the progressive makes the house edge variable, it's possible to not play against a house edge.
Why do you chose a game with a 5.26% house edge when other better games are available? Why do you claim to win when we see you selling assets to free up cash?
Quote: rdw4potusWhat makes you think it's a scam? I just wait until a game with a progressive prize gets high enough to not have a house edge, then I play it. Sometimes that's Video Poker, sometimes it's 3 card poker, sometimes 4 card poker, sometimes Ultimate Texas Holdem or Let it Ride. In a game where the progressive makes the house edge variable, it's possible to not play against a house edge.
Why do you chose a game with a 5.26% house edge when other better games are available? Why do you claim to win when we see you selling assets to free up cash?
"when we see you selling assets to free up cash?" >>> As in what? (lol)
I won't apologize for doing quite 'well' with roulette. Keep waiting for it, aint gonna happen. I put in the TIME (roulette), you didn't, I am ALLOWED to reap the rewards for my efforts.
Ken
Quote: IbeatyouracesAll I can say is that I use PROVEN mathematical means to gain the advantage to "beat" or for a better term, "profit from" various casino games whether it be card counting, hole carding, etc. I don't believe myths, the occult, "woulda coulda shoulda" or other nonsense while at the tables. Everyone else can play, win or lose how they feel.
So if EVERYONE (or most) people played as you do, I assume the casinos would have to shut down, correct?
Ken
Quote: IbeatyouracesLets hope everyone doesnt play like me or yes they would, or just boot us out. Casinos dont like when we have the edge and thus the 86.
'WE' and 'EDGE'..............alrighty then.
Ken
Just bet your lucky numbers. What a splendid plan !
Quote: mrjjj"when we see you selling assets to free up cash?" >>> As in what? (lol)
Ken
The restaurant that you no longer own.
Thanks much for the info and if and when I have something else to add I look forward to talking with you guys again.
Best of luck to all of you and I've got some great articles I can't wait to write...........
I assume you will have the good graces to change the names of the guilty ? ?
Quote: rdw4potusThe restaurant that you no longer own.
My SHARE of the restaurant and that money is going towards a new business, soon. (I'm hoping)
Ken
Quote: rdw4potusThe restaurant that you no longer own.
Why is it so hard to believe Ken owns (owned?) a restaurant?
I remember years ago when he asked for advice about doing
it and I told him it was a bad investment and he did it anyway.
That was long before this forum was even born. And he really
does play roulette, I've seen him do it. Boring as hell, but they
all know him on a first name basis because he practically lives
there. So attack him on his claims, but don't doubt he's not
actually playing the game.
Quote: EvenBobWhy is it so hard to believe Ken owns (owned?) a restaurant?
I have no problem believing that he owned it. I even believe that he bought it with roulette winnings. I just also think he sold it to cover roulette losses when he realized that his latest "method" was just as idiotic as the ones he tried previously.
Quote: rdw4potusI have no problem believing that he owned it. I even believe that he bought it with roulette winnings. I just also think he sold it to cover roulette losses when he realized that his latest "method" was just as idiotic as the ones he tried previously.
How do you COVER losses? Its not like the mob loaned me money so I can play and I dont owe the casino so WHO am I covering my 'losses' for? It makes no sense.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjHow do you COVER losses? Its not like the mob loaned me money so I can play and I dont owe the casino so WHO am I covering my 'losses' for? It makes no sense.
Ken
I don't know, Ken. But that's a pretty weak response. Not even a real DENIAL, just a DEFLECTION instead. Maybe you took out a mortgage you couldn't pay back, or just lost all of your money and then realized that you actually needed money to pay for goods and services.
You can pretend that you don't understand the words all you want, but it's pretty amazingly obvious what my implication was, and you didn't deny it. So I'm going to assume it's true.
Quote: rdw4potus. I just also think he sold it to cover roulette losses when he realized that his latest "method" was just as idiotic as the ones he tried previously.
Him selling the restaurant was a long drawn out process
that he talked about for months and months. It might
have even been a year or longer. You act like he went
into a panic and dumped it over night. And he owned a
part of it, not the whole thing, he bought into it. And it
wasn't a kings ransom, I don't remember the amount
but its not like he bought a Burger King or something.
I defend Ken because so many people here have the
totally wrong idea. Ken's been talking about the restaurant
since about 2007, its not a big deal. He didn't sell it
because he was desperate, he was sick of it and wanted
to get out. So what. It was cutting into his casino time,
I don't blame him for getting out.
1. Where is it located?
2. What are the names, addresses, and social security numbers of the last 100 guest to have dined there?
3. Veal Parmesan is found in all Italian restaurants. What are the following totals for your Veal Parmesan?
Calories
Total Fat
Saturated Fat
Polyunsaturated
Monounsaturated
Cholesterol
Sodium
Potassium
Total Carbohydrate
Dietary Fiber
Sugars
Protein
4. Will I like the Veal Parmesan?
5. Please provide the names, addresses and social security numbers of the last 100 people that ordered the Veal Parmesan.
6. I like it when the waiter brings me some good Italian bread in a basket and then proceeds to pour olive oil on the plate, and then grinds fresh ground pepper onto the plate.. Oh.. and some ground cheese. Does your restaurant provide the same appetizer? If so, then please provide the names and addresses of the last 100 guests that ordered it. Social security numbers would be appreciated as well.
-Sincerely,
-Keyser
Quote: rdw4potusI don't know, Ken. But that's a pretty weak response. Not even a real DENIAL, just a DEFLECTION instead. Maybe you took out a mortgage you couldn't pay back, or just lost all of your money and then realized that you actually needed money to pay for goods and services.
You can pretend that you don't understand the words all you want, but it's pretty amazingly obvious what my implication was, and you didn't deny it. So I'm going to assume it's true.
You can assume what you want, I lose nothing. I do 'well' with roulette and won't apologize for it nor will I keep quiet about it. I worked too damn hard over the years on this game.
Ken
Quote: EvenBobIt was cutting into his casino time,
I am considering giving up my source of income because it is...... cutting into my casino time?
Quote: SOOPOOI am considering giving up my source of income because it is...... cutting into my casino time?
But it wasn't his source of income. He bought into it
with extra money. Why is all of this so difficult, its
not that hard to understand.
because he was desperate, he was sick of it and wanted
to get out. So what. It was cutting into his casino time,
I don't blame him for getting out" >>> The MAIN reasons are/were..... I thought it was gonna be a bit more profitable, the crappy economy did not help. We needed THOUSANDS of dollars in upgrades (mandatory). In addition to the upgrades, my partner wanted to put in another 16K (est.) for non-mandatory items. My partner and I did not agree on quite a few things, lots of arguing.
Yes, it cut too much into what I enjoy the most (roulette), very little free time etc.
Ken
Quote: KeyserI require additional proof that Mr. J's restaurant exists.
I'm sure he'll get right on that, its really important. LOL!
Quote: EvenBobBut it wasn't his source of income. He bought into it
with extra money. Why is all of this so difficult, its
not that hard to understand.
This is quite clear. People dont like others that did/do 'well' with roulette....thats what all these posts are about. Not a big deal, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Ken
Quote: KeyserWaiting... :)
For what? SS numbers? (lol)
Ken
But how did david blaine do it?
Quote: MauiSunset
Maybe I'm wrong - I still like the David Blaine YouTube Roulette Trick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gca-bD4gOec
Now that's impressive....
It's all chopped up, they just kept shooting
until they could edit the sequence they
wanted. The girls were paid actors.
Quote: MauiSunsetThis kind of gets to the reason I asked my original question - just what is the worst possible way to play Roulette that insures you lose the most money the fastest way?
That's easy to answer. Take 38 chips and cover every number. Guaranteed loss of three chips every spin of the wheel. HE= 100%
Some people on this forum may not like my answer, but it has to do with more than just random numbers. It has to do with data collection by the casinos, the equipment used, and wheel assembly. Not the game.
If you want to lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the house edge, then bet on the following numbers: 0, 00, and 17.
Here's why: These are the most widely bet numbers on the roulette layout. If one of these numbers runs too hot or perhaps biased, the table win could go down. Consequently, the casino will react more quickly to prevent this from happening, and give these numbers a bit of extra attention. Meaning they will wipe down the wheel to remove any possible "sticky spots" that could possibly exist, and double check these pocket inserts, etc... However, if a number, such as number 31 were to run hot or biased, then the casino would be more likely to ignore it, since the table win would appear to be average or above average.
In the end, there's a greater chance that the 0,00, and 17 will perform close to, or below expectation because of the greater effect that they can have on the table win. So, if you want to lose the most, bet big on these three numbers.
-Keyser
Quote: KeyserWhat's the worst someone can do?
Some people on this forum may not like my answer, but it has to do with more than just random numbers. It has to do with data collection by the casinos, the equipment used, and wheel assembly. Not the game.
If you want to lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the house edge, then bet on the following numbers: 0, 00, and 17.
Here's why: These are the most widely bet numbers on the roulette layout. If one of these numbers runs too hot or perhaps biased, the table win could go down. Consequently, the casino will react more quickly to prevent this from happening, and give these numbers a bit of extra attention. Meaning they will wipe down the wheel to remove any possible "sticky spots" that could possibly exist, and double check these pocket inserts, etc... However, if a number, such as number 31 were to run hot or biased, then the casino would be more likely to ignore it, since the table win would appear to be average or above average.
In the end, there's a greater chance that the 0,00, and 17 will perform close to, or below expectation because of the greater effect that they can have on the table win. So, if you want to lose the most, bet big on these three numbers.
-Keyser
What? Isn't the wheel equally likely to be biased against 31, and the casino equally likely to not notice it--unless it is biased for 00, in which case they will fix it? In other words, it makes zero difference what number you bet on and your analysis is severely flawed.
You decide.
Best of luck.
-Keyser
Quote: KeyserAgain, In this post am I supposed to say, "nuh-uh" or should I say "uh-huh"?
You decide.
Best of luck.
-Keyser
I was hoping you'd defend your post since it is utterly indefensible. The guys at the Alamo didn't run away.
On many wheels, the traditional setting for the seams were to have them split the middle of the 17, 18, and then the 0/2 split, and the 1/00 spit. Other seams split other numbers. Overtime, the setting moved to split the middle of the 0 and 00, and slightly right of the 17 and the 18. As a wheel ages, it's not uncommon for subtle ridges on the cone to form. These ridges, if they form , are often at the panel seam joints. Moisture, beer spills, etc., are the biggest cause. On later wheel designs, they appear to have fixed some of the ridge problems.
Example: If you're playing on a wheel where the panel seam splits the middle of the number 17: When the ball falls into the wheel, if the ball escapes the front of the pocket and travels up onto the center wood cone, the ball is less likely to return to the number 17, and is more likely to be diverted to the left or right because of the ridge, by about one or two pockets, and is less likely to roll back into the number 17. ( Depending on the ball diameter and wheel speed.)
In the end, if you want to bet on the worst numbers on the wheel, then stick with the numbers 0,00, 17, and 18. It's not going to be true for every wheel. And if a wheel is affected, then it will only have a very slight effect.
It is one way by which you could lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the normal house edge.
Another way would be to bet on the coldest numbers on a biased wheel.
Quote: MauiSunsetSo what's the worst someone can do playing Roulette over their lifetime? I'm serious.
The worse thing a person can do is not playing Roulette.
Quote: KeyserHow assembly can help you determine the worst numbers on which to bet: It involves the panel seams on the center wood cone on the 00 roulette wheels. The panel seams refer to the locations where the laminates that are glued to a card board like fiber board that composes the center wood cone, meet, and form vertical lines.
On many wheels, the traditional setting for the seams were to have them split the middle of the 17, 18, and then the 0/2 split, and the 1/00 spit. Other seams split other numbers. Overtime, the setting moved to split the middle of the 0 and 00, and slightly right of the 17 and the 18. As a wheel ages, it's not uncommon for subtle ridges on the cone to form. These ridges, if they form , are often at the panel seam joints. Moisture, beer spills, etc., are the biggest cause. On later wheel designs, they appear to have fixed some of the ridge problems.
Example: If you're playing on a wheel where the panel seam splits the middle of the number 17: When the ball falls into the wheel, if the ball escapes the front of the pocket and travels up onto the center wood cone, the ball is less likely to return to the number 17, and is more likely to be diverted to the left or right because of the ridge, by about one or two pockets, and is less likely to roll back into the number 17. ( Depending on the ball diameter and wheel speed.)
In the end, if you want to bet on the worst numbers on the wheel, then stick with the numbers 0,00, 17, and 18. It's not going to be true for every wheel. And if a wheel is affected, then it will only have a very slight effect.
It is one way by which you could lose at a rate that could theoretically exceed the normal house edge.
Now you're saying wheels are designed to be biased against 00. So although this argument is COMPLETELY different than the one you previously made, I'm going to just summarily disbelieve it based on two previously debunked arguments you have made, without further argument.
Quote: Keyser
Another way would be to bet on the coldest numbers on a biased wheel.
How would you know what they are, or that there even is a bias? If you knew this information, why would you bet the cold numbers? The worst way to bet the game, then is to lose on purpose...or to just tip the dealer all your money.
