DJTeddyBear
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June 19th, 2018 at 3:58:51 PM permalink
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I'll second that. Their web site is worthless.
BTW, I didn't see any mention of a poker room or sport bet in the scouting report. Did you notice if these are available?

Both Sands and Resorts World Catskills have Poker rooms.

I致e been encouraged in another thread to write a lengthy RW review. Gimme a couple days.
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June 21st, 2018 at 6:15:27 AM permalink
As monetioned previously, for the last couple years, I've been going to Sands Bethlehem more-or-less weekly, until recently. I'm starting to shift my business to Resorts World in the Catskills of New York.

Note: There痴 nothing wrong with your display. The green chips are fugly.


Here's an incomplete, albeit somewhat lengthy review of Resorts World. Note that the only games I play are poker and craps. Part of why it's incomplete, is that I wasn't really planning on doing this yet. I'm doing this from memory, and I haven't explored the entire casino floor yet. Hell, I don't even know where the hotel front desk is! Another reason it's incomplete is that I've never seen a property map - neither in the venue or online (I've looked).

For what it's worth, I live in Northern NJ with no casinos anywhere nearby. From home, AC is 139 miles, Parx is 85, Sands 77, Mount Airy 75, Resorts World 71, Mohegan Sun 143. There are a couple casinos in New York City that are closer by mileage only. Not only do I avoid crossing the Hudson at all costs, those places aren't "real" casinos. The Meadowlands, which would have had a Hard Rock Casino by now if the vote went the other way in 2016, is only 27 miles. Sigh....

Note that I have never been to Parx, but if the stars allign, I'll be there this Sunday, 6/24.

Resorts World Catskils opened in January, and my first visit was in April.


As mentioned in other threads, it's VERY easy to get to. About 100 yards from the Route 17 exit 106 is a rock wall proclaiming the edge of the property. Just follow the only that makes sense, for about a mile, to the entrance. Then make the choice of valet, surface or garage.

The parking garage elevators lead to a lobby which from the right has a hallway. I don't know where it leads since I haven't explored the entire place yet. The furthest I've explored is a food court. Then a large rest room and the rewards center straight out from the elevator. Real easy to sign up. Continuing to the left is the main (valet?) entrance, followed by some shops, a restaurant and other stuff beyond my view. On the other side (behind you) are escalators up to the poker room and conference center, and the casino floor, which has railing around it forcing you to walk (not far really), to an entrance. However, prior to the entrance are ropes funneling all gamblers into a choke point where IDs are checked for those that look young. Get a group of 20 somethings in front of you and there's no way around it. If you tried to go around the ropes and enter thru the exit area, they sent you back to the ropes. Not a real big deal, wait a minute or so, but just a stupid annoyance.

Once in, it's a very short walk to the first pit of about 10 tables. Two craps tables at the end. Then another pit immediately after it, also with two craps tables. There's also a pit off to one side with Asian games. Beyond the second pit is a bar/restaurant which I haven't gone in yet. Past the Asian pit is the main cage. I 'think' there may be additional pits beyond those areas. I ventured that far, so I don't know.


The parking garage elevator also goes up to the poker room and conference floor. Very convenient for poker players. There is also a security podium outside the poker room, but since it has far less traffic, and no ropes, there's no issue there.

Once inside the poker room is the sign up desk and a cage close to the entrance. There's about 20 tables. Restrooms are in the poker room at the back, along with the service bar. The mens room has two stalls and two urinals. That's OK for now, when business is slow, but will never work when they have tournaments and everyone going at once during breaks. The mens room at the bottom of the escalator has about 7 stalls and urinals. Maybe it'll be sufficient. At any rate, it's a lot better than the situation at the Sands.


My first visit was in April on a Saturday morning. After getting my player card, I went right up to the poker room. There were only three tables running. At the time, they didn't have any tournaments or promos. Since then, they've started doing those and the place is busier. In my five (?) visits, I've had to wait twice, but never more than 10 minutes for a seat. I'm not a great player, but I feel like the play is softer than at the Sands. That, and the slightly shorter ride, is what's making me keep going back.

On the other hand, the poker food service sucks. (Note to non-poker players: In the interest of keeping tables full, most poker rooms allow players to eat at the poker tables, providing snack tables, and having dedicated food servers to handle the orders.) My first trip they weren't set up yet. Whatever. My second trip, I didn't bother. On my third trip, I noticed that other people had food. Although I didn't notice a food server, I asked the dealer to press the button to request a food server (another common thing in the poker room). After a long delay - apparently because it was so unusual for a player to ask for food service, the dealer got the floor person's attention, who then told the waitress that I wanted food. Mind you it was the same cocktail waitress that had been to the table three times in the interrum. Not a good sign. She then told me, "I could give you a menu and tell you all the items that we're out of, or I can just tell you what we have." Um, ok... "We have tacos and chili dogs." I nearly burst out laughing and declined.

Instead I decided to try the food court downstairs. Except it wasn't a food court, but a weird restaurant where you order food at podiums with iPads, overlooking the full length window into the kitchen. And each iPad had four different menus, with different styles of cusine, from which to choose - all of which get cooked behind that same window. Very strange. I ordered a turkey burger, then for I don't know how long (but it seemed too long), I watched them throw it on the grill, occasionally turning and pressing it. I was sure thy were killing the damn thing. Eventually I got it, paid and sat down. It turned out that it was still mighty juicy, and quite tasty.

On my last trip, I simply asked at the poker sign-in counter what the food situation was. He handed me a menu for a different restaurant, where there was a post-it with a phone number. He said to just call the order in, then go get it and pay myself. Should they at least get a few customer service points for having the menu handy? I ordered a burger and was told it would be 20 minutes. 20 minutes for a burger? At any rate 23 minutes later, I was there, waiting. It was another couple minutes before I got it. It wasn't great, I should have gotten a turkey burger from the other place...

Some of the poker dealers are very experienced, freely admitting where they used to deal. Others are new, but aren't terrible.

Also, the felts on the poker tables are a weird fabric. Chips and cards do not slide well AT ALL. Hopefully, they値l pick a different fabric when the time comes.


On every trip, once done playing poker, I would play craps for a bit before going home. I never had an issue finding a space. In fact, on my last visit, it occurred to me that I've never really seen the place busy and that I've never had trouble getting a spot in the garage that was close to the elevators.

Anyway, I can't remember if I ever saw a $10 craps table, but I'm OK with $15 so that didn't bother me. Most of the dealers are new and rough with the bets and payouts, but the box people are pretty good about making sure everything's correct. Despite this, I've still noticed small errors.

The only odd-ball thing I've noticed in craps is inconsistent rules regarding player control bets. I frequently make place bets with an extra $1 as a dealer bet. Some floor people insist that the extra dollar be placed on top of my bets while others allow it to be placed next to my bets. Frankly, I think it's easier to payout when they are not on top of the player's bet - particularly since I press my bets on every roll. But what really bothered me was that at least one floor person said that player control wasn't allowed. I.E. If the bet won, the winning and original bet get put in the tip box.

I don't get that AT ALL. After all, not only is there an edge, but the payout is short because of the non-standard bet size, giving the house an even bigger edge on the toke bet. Plus, the number has to hit thee times to make my way better for the dealer. If it hits twice, it the same. But if it hits only once, as is often the case, then it's better for the casino to allow player control. So why disallow player control?

On a side note, a year or so ago, I ran into the same situation at the D in Vegas. A floor person wouldn't allow player control toke bets. The funny thing was, the very next day, I ran into the same dealer working at a different casino. We recognized each other, so I asked him, "What's up with that floorman at the D, not allowing player control tokes?" He replied, without holding any punches, "He's just a bitter old man that loves to find new ways to piss off the customer."


My final comment is this: Resorts World is in the middle of nowhere. Sands is in and adjaced to, densely populated areas. I don't see how Resorts World survives. Maybe things will improve once additional ammenities, such as indoor water park, are finally open. On the other hand, I've yet to encounter any traffic other than one minor delay at a choke point at the NJ/NY state line. (Locals know this spot, where Routes 287, 17 and the NY Thruway meet. It's a cluster f--- but a minor delay at worst.) On the other hand, I often hit traffic in NJ when going to the Sands, and sometimes when going home too! If more people make that realization, maybe more people would go to Resorts World. But I admit, that's a small factor when making a choice.
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TumblingBones
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June 22nd, 2018 at 6:15:58 AM permalink
Doesn't sound like it's worth a special trip. Maybe if I was already passing by but even then it's about 45 minutes off the Thruway. Like you said
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Resorts World is in the middle of nowhere. Sands is in and adjaced to, densely populated areas. I don't see how Resorts World survives.


The part about the choke point is interesting. The only other place I've seen that is at del Lago. I guessing its something in the state's authorization for the new casinos. Rivers probably has it too.
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June 22nd, 2018 at 8:06:42 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Doesn't sound like it's worth a special trip.

While I tend to agree with that assessment, it also makes me wonder: What痴 so special about ANY casino?

A new thread about this is here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/other-casinos/31040-what-s-so-special-about-your-favorite-casino/
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June 22nd, 2018 at 11:35:09 AM permalink
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... Restrooms are in the poker room at the back, along with the service bar. The mens room has two stalls and two urinals. That's OK for now, when business is slow, but will never work when they have tournaments and everyone going at once during breaks.



Great review. Ummm... You mentioned conference meeting rooms. I wonder if poker tournaments (assuming they have some big ones) will be held there. If so, the conference and meeting rooms may have far larger restrooms. As with a poker tournament, when a conference session ends, attendees all scramble for the restroom. If so, that might fix the restroom problem during large poker tournaments.

My 2 cents. Not that I'll ever know personally. I avoid driving in the Megalopolis (Baltimore to Boston), and I especially detest driving through any part of NJ. Where I live, we don't have rush hour; only rush minute.
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June 22nd, 2018 at 11:41:47 AM permalink
Good point.

I guess when I finally get around to exploring more fully, I壇 have to check out the conference area as well as the casino / first floor.
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