StarCrusher
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April 20th, 2016 at 6:38:58 PM permalink
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I haven’t noticed anything on Connecticut Mohegan Sun slots saying what rate Momentum Dollars are awarded for play. However, I can say with a high degree of confidence that one machine with a 5.26% hold awards Momentum Dollars at the rate of 1 per $180 wagered. What you win or lose on the wagers is immaterial to the points awarded. Some video poker machines with lesser holds have a label near the bill taker stating the machine does not award Momentum Dollars for play. Blackjack tables scale evenly: 1 point per hour for flat-betting at a $10 table, 10 points per hour for flat-betting at a $100 table. If your average bet varies, which is almost always the case for players, It is up to the pit boss to assess your average bet. It is not out of line to ask at the end of table play, in addition to the hours you were clocked, what was your average bet rating. If you feel the pit boss has it wrong, that is the time to plead your case. You can get an adjustment later, but it will take months and a lot more effort. I have no idea what rate applies for the carnival games.



It is actually 1 point per $190 wagered. And I will add that it is no coincidence that 1 divided by 190 is...well...I already said too much. And your blackjack estimates are low, it is closer to 14%.
BleedingChipsSlowly
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April 20th, 2016 at 7:36:33 PM permalink
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It is actually 1 point per $190 wagered. And I will add that it is no coincidence that 1 divided by 190 is...well...I already said too much. And your blackjack estimates are low, it is closer to 14%.

I won't dispute your experience, but my numbers hold true for my play. 9 red, 9 black, 1 between the green. A transaction rather than a gamble that always results in a loss of 1 per spin. You get 1 Momentum dollar for $180 played on the roulette machines by the Earth Casino entrance. The technique is common knowledge. The club membership literature alludes to acquiring benefits at a higher rate for higher tier cards. Perhaps that accounts for the difference in comps you experience at the slot machines. As for blackjack, you say you vary your bets without counting and place side bets. I flat bet, sometimes for hours, unless I have good reason to do otherwise. I never place side bets. We should be comped differently as we exhibit different styles of play.
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StarCrusher
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April 20th, 2016 at 9:35:00 PM permalink
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I won't dispute your experience, but my numbers hold true for my play. 9 red, 9 black, 1 between the green. A transaction rather than a gamble that always results in a loss of 1 per spin. You get 1 Momentum dollar for $180 played on the roulette machines by the Earth Casino entrance. The technique is common knowledge.



So common that I do it every triple day to make up the shortfall in maintaining my soar card. The BASE rate is $190, but yes, it takes me less than this because of my soar accelerator, and you less, as well.

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As for blackjack, you say you vary your bets without counting and place side bets. I flat bet, sometimes for hours, unless I have good reason to do otherwise. I never place side bets. We should be comped differently as we exhibit different styles of play.



I never told you how I calculated this. No side bets, I vary my bets, and ask before I leave what the computer has my average rating at. They tell me the number, some floors tell me to the decimal (since the rating being changed mid-session can do this), and I keep careful track of time elapsed between when my card is taken and when I leave. 14% sounds right for blackjack, with Spanish being 16% and craps being 10%.
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April 21st, 2016 at 5:12:51 AM permalink
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... I never told you how I calculated this. ...

You did not. My bad, I had reviewed the OP statements and incorrectly referenced them in my reply to your post. My apologies.


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... 14% sounds right for blackjack, with Spanish being 16% and craps being 10%.

I believe you have done due diligence to get those rates, but wouldn't it be .14% for blackjack? As in 70 hand/hour * $10/hand * .14% points/$ = .98 points/hour flat-betting at a $10 table? (Close enough for government work.)
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StarCrusher
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April 21st, 2016 at 1:19:18 PM permalink
My apologies, the 14% was ambiguous. I was referring to the per-hour rate of comps relative to the size of one's average bet. Thus, if I am betting $100 for 1 hour, I would expect $14 in momentum dollars (and status points). However, and this is important, this work was done at the Ascend level, so you may be right that the "core" rate is actually closer to 10-11%. Not a horrible ratio for a 0.33% edge game, especially given the conditions that the casino imposes upon itself to restrict the hands seen per hour.

I would estimate 50-55 hands per hour from a 6 deck shoe that is hand-shuffled with 2/6 pen with 5+ hands being played at the table and a competent dealer. A slow dealer or excessive usage of side bets will decrease this number further.
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April 21st, 2016 at 8:22:17 PM permalink
Thanks, Starcrusher, that all makes sense. I appreciate the information about the difference in comps for the tier levels.

[Deletet, ment for another thread.]
Last edited by: BleedingChipsSlowly on Apr 21, 2016
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