Wizardofnothing
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August 23rd, 2015 at 4:20:39 PM permalink
Jesus guess no one follows anything. He was NOT NOT not touching the cards. They were playing mini bac not midi. That's why they recycled them- also they do no destroy mini bac cards they destroy midi bac cards
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Ibeatyouraces
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August 23rd, 2015 at 4:30:35 PM permalink
We knew what he was playing. They had the dealer deal the first four cards out BEFORE making his bet.
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speedycrap
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August 23rd, 2015 at 4:37:28 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

We knew what he was playing. They had the dealer deal the first four cards out BEFORE making his bet.

If that was the case. STUPIDITY rules and no cheating at all. Remember, there is no medication for STUPIDITY.
Wizardofnothing
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August 23rd, 2015 at 4:40:07 PM permalink
In reality that's his central argument was he didn't touch the cards- and had to play and entire shoe before the edge sorting would even work
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Ibeatyouraces
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August 23rd, 2015 at 4:45:17 PM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

If that was the case. STUPIDITY rules and no cheating at all. Remember, there is no medication for STUPIDITY.


Naturally. When has a casino blamed the crew (supervisors and dealers) for procedural errors like this, hole carding, etc. Throw in the paranoia perpetrated by "consultants" to sell their services. There is no more bigger sore loser than the casinos.
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NokTang
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August 23rd, 2015 at 4:58:17 PM permalink
Quote: ZenMasterFlash

In order for Ivey to know that the next card out of the shoe was an 8 or a 9, REQUIRED more than edge-sorting the cards. Anyone who has played the game needs to pause a moment and visualize the game. Nobody can see the first card (always a Player Card) that starts off each hand - BECAUSE the dealer is taught NOT to pull that card partially out of the shoe ~ BEFORE all player's bets are "set".



From my experience, you can see the next cards edge in most shoes. I do recall some shoes with a sort of "door" which had to be lifted but don't recall where. We are talking about the downward edge of the back side of a playing card, not seeing the card's front value side itself.
Ibeatyouraces
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August 23rd, 2015 at 5:08:45 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

From my experience, you can see the next cards edge in most shoes. I do recall some shoes with a sort of "door" which had to be lifted but don't recall where. We are talking about the downward edge of the back side of a playing card, not seeing the card's front value side itself.


You'll see that almost anywhere. Problem is, you have to physically set the right cards the right way. Just ain't happening in the real world when you can't handle the cards. I get a kick out of casinos wasting time "turning" half an 8 deck blackjack or baccarat shoe in which only the dealer touches the cards. Just stupid.
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SanchoPanza
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August 23rd, 2015 at 5:11:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

When has a casino blamed the crew (supervisors and dealers) for procedural errors like this, hole carding, etc. Throw in the paranoia perpetrated by "consultants" to sell their services. There is no more bigger sore loser than the casinos.

All this preposterous situation is thanks to the total inaction of the D.G.E. and C.C.C. How they escaped being sued is beyond my reach.
NokTang
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August 23rd, 2015 at 5:13:57 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

We knew what he was playing. They had the dealer deal the first four cards out BEFORE making his bet.



I assume you mean face down, the two for the players hand and the two for the bankers in their positions on a mini table? That would indeed make a huge difference if you had been able to distinguish 8's and 9's via prior turns of same as time went by. I keep reading it gave Mr. Ivey a 6 percent edge but seems like would have been much higher.
Ibeatyouraces
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August 23rd, 2015 at 5:19:10 PM permalink
Yes, face down. Quite possible for only the first shoe though. Would love to see the surveillance footage.
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