jml24
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February 13th, 2015 at 9:27:13 AM permalink
Games with a high skill component seem poorly suited for gambling. Poker is a game of skill over a large number of hands. The poor players still turn up because the luck component is high enough that they have a decent chance of winning each individual hand. When they do, that tends to distort their views of their own skill levels. On the other hand, chess is a game of pure skill. While people do play chess for money, poor players figure out they are bad pretty quickly when facing more skilled competition. Chess clubs nationwide bring in a tiny, tiny fraction of the revenue that poker rooms do.

A free throw does have a random element to it. The world's best free thrower can't hit 100%. However, there are people that are pretty close. This page indicates the world record is 5221 consecutive free throws.

The casino could increase the randomness element by making the free throws harder. For example they could decrease the size of the hoop or make the thrower stand further away. The article indicates they are planning to use regulation conditions.

(edit) I see several others posted pretty much the same thing. With the video game example cited by Romes, I could see people paying a small amount just for the fun of participating, since it takes a while to determine the winner in a Halo tournament. Even then he found people declined to play when clearly outclassed. Paying an entry fee and being eliminated after the first 90 second free throw round doesn't sound too fun.
Ayecarumba
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February 13th, 2015 at 11:11:43 AM permalink
Quote: jml24

...Paying an entry fee and being eliminated after the first 90 second free throw round doesn't sound too fun.

Which is why handicapping should be allowed so the casino can make book. I can see it becoming like a dog or horse race, or betting on jai alai, boxing, MMA, or the NCAA tournament. Even... Dodgeball.
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Baccaratfrom79
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February 13th, 2015 at 11:17:36 AM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

What's next throwing at Milk Bottles, ring toss?

FYI-interesting ways these games are fixed @ fairs etc:




So are the games at Little Italy's San Gennaro festival rigged too?

Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
tringlomane
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February 13th, 2015 at 11:21:44 AM permalink
Reminds me of the promotional Wii bowling tournament I participated in this fall at a casino. $500/$1000 coin-in slots/VP was necessary to participate, 70 people got prizes ranging from $25-$1000 freeplay. I bowled 186 for 18th place and $100 freeplay. The guy that won the $1000 was a ringer and bowled 300 and beat 2nd place by over 20 pins I think.
7star4now
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February 13th, 2015 at 12:14:15 PM permalink
"So are the games at Little Italy's San Gennaro festival rigged too?"

I ....ahem...won't comment on this esteemed religious festival, but I would avoid winning too much at certain games in certain venues- if you value your kneecaps.
Baccaratfrom79
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February 13th, 2015 at 12:29:10 PM permalink
Yeah, Little Italy and a ride down to AC. Swing by Phila and go over to Center City like old times.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
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February 13th, 2015 at 12:59:24 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

There's been video game tournaments for all kinds of games since I can remember. Check out Major League Gaming. They've been around for at least a decade or two and they hold the biggest tournaments of games in a different city/state each month. The most popular seem to be: Call of Duty, Halo, Super Smash Bro's...

When I was in college I beat the #3 ranked halo player in the world (according to Major League Gaming - MLG). They've had halo tournaments since I can remember, and we've always won every single one we went to. The winning team of 4 usually splits like $200 bucks though. There's never enough interest to play for a) more, or b) enough players/teams.

Now back in the day when Halo 1 wasn't on xbox live, we played on xbox connect through a PC. It was amazing how many people could beat their friends so they assumed they were the best ever. Because it wasn't online, no one knew how good everyone else in the world was. Someone challeneged my brother (him and I were our #1 and #2 players) to $25 per kill in a game 1v1 to 50... My brother, humble and fearful this might be one of the 10 other people in the world to compete with us, declined the stakes, but played anyways. Myself seeking an AP play even then, offered to play for $25/kill, but no one with us had the money to back me, so they ended up playing 'for fun.' My brother beat him 50-1. Too bad that would have been a cool $1,225 (while in college). We frequently offered challenges to pay for another teams gas (that we met on XBC) to come from other states to play us. Minimum 3 games, $400 per game ($100 per person). We had several take us up on our offer, and no one ever came close to winning.

Basically, I would love for 'skilled games', be it video/sports/etc, to be profitable like this. The PROBLEM though, that will also happen with this, is what we found after we won 2-3 local tournaments. Other players/teams would stop showing if we were on the registered list, because they knew they couldn't win. As others stated previously in the thread, the most skilled will just always win... So this will explode at the beginning, but then die out because no one would play but the skilled players. I.E. Regular Joe Shmo couldn't compete, so you couldn't get his money.



lol, was that $25 / kill bet with someone he actually knew? If it's just some guy over the web I would've taken that bet in a heartbeat, and just not paid if I lost. On the other hand, I wouldn't expect to get paid if I won either.. kind of goes both ways.
onenickelmiracle
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February 13th, 2015 at 1:34:50 PM permalink
simple things like these should be legal just about anywhere. A basketball tournament though, really wouldn't even interest me.
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Ayecarumba
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February 13th, 2015 at 1:39:52 PM permalink
What if it was a "tough guy" contest, where spectators could wager on the contestants? Think amateur UFC. Bloodsports have always been a draw in gambling centers.
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February 13th, 2015 at 11:36:34 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Reminds me of the promotional Wii bowling tournament I participated in this fall at a casino. $500/$1000 coin-in slots/VP was necessary to participate, 70 people got prizes ranging from $25-$1000 freeplay. I bowled 186 for 18th place and $100 freeplay. The guy that won the $1000 was a ringer and bowled 300 and beat 2nd place by over 20 pins I think.

WOW HOW FUN!! Wii golf =fun to.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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