mcallister3200
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January 22nd, 2015 at 7:26:43 PM permalink
Good one. I guess I'm not sure exactly how class action suits work, but wouldn't there be record of the individuals involved. I mean unless you're beyond burnt out nationwide(that's why uston did it) which has got to be tough to do if hyland is still playing, it's " hello everyone who hasn't backed me off yet, here's my name and I'm a card counter."
mcallister3200
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January 22nd, 2015 at 7:31:37 PM permalink
imo it doesn't mean conditions HAVE to deteriorate, but given AC they most likely would. Missouri has similar laws, and conditions aren't A.C. bad yet. At the moment Pennsylvania requires casinos to stand on 17 and have surrender, but requiring that probably lead to more mediocre pen 8 deck games.
sodawater
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January 22nd, 2015 at 9:36:49 PM permalink
Quote: Artemis

Counselor DoctorBJ invites PA & AC bj players to join a class action lawsuit. He will do all the legal work for free. Click the link and read all about it.

A freebie: Class action lawsuit for PA & AC bj players who have been 86ed.



Your headline is wrong. There is no need for such a lawsuit in NJ as the Supreme Court has already ruled that card counting is perfectly legal and casinos may not 86 card counters. The post also clearly says PA only...where did you get NJ from?
sc15
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January 22nd, 2015 at 11:13:45 PM permalink
That'd be great if he wins the suit.

First off, I like to go back and play at places I've been backed off at. If they can't 86 me I don't have to worry about legal issues going back. Also, I do shuffle tracking / ace tracking plays, which work better with lower penetration, so if casinos start cutting off more of the shoe that's GOOD for me.

It also opens the door to team play strategies like having a known backed off player sit there playing 5-50 or flat min bet mocking them to keep all eyes away from the real play.
tringlomane
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January 23rd, 2015 at 1:09:42 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

imo it doesn't mean conditions HAVE to deteriorate, but given AC they most likely would. Missouri has similar laws, and conditions aren't A.C. bad yet. At the moment Pennsylvania requires casinos to stand on 17 and have surrender, but requiring that probably lead to more mediocre pen 8 deck games.



You beat me to this, my home state can't bar card counters. Just flat bet or shuffle when deemed necessary. Most tables are still standard "meh" Midwest/Gulf Coast rules as they have been for years. 6 deck/H17/DOA/DAS/no surrender. Given PA's liberal rules, barring probably helps them a decent bit. PA/MD laws confuse me. BJ gets player protection...but other games...every man for himself! And with the slot taxes mandated...VP is total garbage. :(
21forme
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January 23rd, 2015 at 4:10:05 PM permalink
Look at Vegas casinos - there are entire casinos on the strip with 8D shoe 6:5 BJ games. And they can bar players!
PA rules are regulated by Gaming. They are all S17, LS games, so unless Gaming approves rule changes (which casinos have tried twice and turned down), rules won't change.
RS
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January 23rd, 2015 at 4:14:24 PM permalink
Quote: 21forme

Look at Vegas casinos - there are entire casinos on the strip with 8D shoe 6:5 BJ games. And they can bar players!
PA rules are regulated by Gaming. They are all S17, LS games, so unless Gaming approves rule changes (which casinos have tried twice and turned down), rules won't change.



And those are the $10-15 tables. What are the rules at the $25-50 tables?
mcallister3200
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January 23rd, 2015 at 6:25:28 PM permalink
There are 6:5 $25 tables on the strip at times, mirage especially. Deteriorating conditions is a concern, but I don't think the logic of a.c. did it so Pennsyvania would is that strong to me, it hasn't followed in Missouri. Conditions generally deteriorate over time if they're not staying the same anyways, so in A.C. was it correlation or causation regarding declining conditions? IDK if I'm a gaming environment I'm trying not follow A.C.'s lead.
21forme
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January 23rd, 2015 at 6:59:26 PM permalink
Quote: RS

And those are the $10-15 tables. What are the rules at the $25-50 tables?


I've seen $50 6:5 shoe games at Mandalay Bay and Caesars. All of Venetian and Palazzo are 6:5 except HL room (100-200 mins). All of MOnte Carlo, NYNY and Ecalibut are 6:5 (except their enpty HL rooms), including $25 games on main floor.
AcesAndEights
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January 24th, 2015 at 3:09:21 PM permalink
Quote: 21forme

I've seen $50 6:5 shoe games at Mandalay Bay and Caesars. All of Venetian and Palazzo are 6:5 except HL room (100-200 mins). All of MOnte Carlo, NYNY and Ecalibut are 6:5 (except their enpty HL rooms), including $25 games on main floor.


As of April last year, Venazzo still offered a $50 minimum DD game on the main floor that pays 3:2.
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