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I have to disagree. Quality or service may go down, but prices don't necessarily go up. Walmart and McDonalds being two examples.
I'm sure there are also counter examples but just pointing out it does not necessarily follow.
I mean I'd actually be surprised if either of those companies became even more of a bargain to the customer if they converted to tipping.
Maybe you wouldn't wait in a line as long and food and service would be better. Maybe more smiles.
Cheaper because of tipping? I doubt it.
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If they try and raise prices or make blackjack unplayable, then everyone needs to stop going to these places until they revert back to what is normal because theres no need for them to do it other than greed. The power still lies with the people. Watch how fast they react when no one starts playing or visiting their store.
Also keep your posts about this in one single thread. Im not gonna go back and forth and read your lectures.
Do you truly not comprehend the fact that if more wages were paid on direct prices would go up? Do you not understand that the money is going to come from the customer one way or another? What did you major in when you were in college? I'm guessing it wasn't Economics.
Therefore, if you don't want to tip, that's fine, but nobody thinks you are either smart or special because of it. Rather than encouraging people NOT TO TIP you should be thanking people FOR TIPPING because us tipping keeps the prices down.
You want Blackjack rules to get worse, Mr. Counter, here's a good way to do it: Make the casino compensate the dealers more on direct. The Blackjack rules will go to Hell immediately and the game will no longer be countable. Keep encouraging people not to tip, though, if you have that little concern for your own livelihood.
The tone in many of your posts is petulant, puerile, acrimonious and your suggestions are often absurd. I say nothing about you as a person, because that would be an insult. I speak only to your posts.
I disagree with the fact that upping minimum wages make games go stinky and agree with ZK (he was right). Collusion and competition are much more likely to affect game conditions. Collusion on the strip to introduce 6-5 BJ, reducing odds on Craps, making the field double/double, 00 roulette, 1-3-6 3-card pay tables all have been rule reductions over the last years which is more about profiteering than wages.
Take a look at Casino Windsor vs the Detroit Casinos or Fallsview vs the Senecas. The rules are no different in either place for games but the wages in Ontario are much higher as employees are unionized. Labor conditions would not worsen gaming conditions. The fact that there is tacit collusion between the Vegas casinos on the strip is the primary factor in the crappy gaming conditions on the strip. What you would actually see is minimums going up, not rules worsening, as that is the primary difference between the casinos on both sides.
Casinos on the US side can offer $10 PG, $5 BJ, and $5 Craps. You don't see that on the Canadian side as wages are higher.
I really don't have a problem with his point of view. Alot of people feel that the casinos should be 100% responsible for the dealer's compensation. If enough people decide this is the case, then you will have a situation where dealers will not apply for work and casinos won't have a choice but to pay more, and in turn, up table limits further.
Hate to admit it after all i said about not tipping, but i just left a restaurant and i just couldnt be a stiff. I felt bad for the waiter, since i know thats what he relies on and ended up leaving about 18%. My point still remains though. These owners of these restaurants and casinos need to pay their workers, it should not be our responsibility and there would be no need to raise prices just cause youre paying ur workers 10 an hour. Its not like were even getting a great deal to begin with with the current tip system in place. Every restuarant overprices their steak etc.
All in all, me being a good person, i had to leave something. I guess i couldnt walk the walk, or whatever that phrase is, but something still needs to be done with this tipping system in this country. Ill still never tip a casino dealer though and it's nothing personal to them, but tipping at casino games is just ridiculous.
Restaurant servers are the only ones for whom I take a serious stand, and I'm in favor of tipping bartenders because some of them get base wages similar to restaurant people. Other than that, I don't know that there are any other occupations that would be absolutely screwed without tips, cab drivers, arguably.
Mission, do you think the amount of money the person is making, including tips, should factor into the amount of the tip? The only reason I ask is because some servers at high end restaurants take home over six figures. A friend of mine, and his husband, both work at the same nice seafood and steakhouse on the strip. According to them they each make over $100k with their tips.