## Poll

 Split it 50/50 and be done with it. 5 votes (15.15%) Bob should pay all, because he invited. 2 votes (6.06%) Jim should pay all, since Bob provided the coupon. 18 votes (54.54%) Bob should pay more, because of what he ate. No votes (0%) Jim should pay more, for more drink orders. 1 vote (3.03%) They should play waitress trivia to see who pays. 4 votes (12.12%) They should stiff the waitress, since they are APs 6 votes (18.18%) All things considered, Bob should pay more. No votes (0%) All things considered, Jim should pay more. 2 votes (6.06%) They should consult a third party to decide. 1 vote (3.03%)

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Wizard
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:06:19 AM permalink
This is a tangent off of this post.

Suppose two logicians, Jim and Bob, meet for a buffet lunch in a casino. Bob pays for both lunches using a coupon in the mail, which was based on Bob's play in the casino. The idea of the lunch was Bob's, because he had the coupon for two and didn't want to waste it.

Assume that Bob is an AP who was playing 9/6 Jacks or Better on double point days. Points on a regular day are worth 0.25%. Jim is also an AP but doesn't play at that property.

Bob also eats more of the expensive items in the buffet, like peeled shrimp, like Jim is more of rice and beans kind of guy. However, Jim orders three drinks from the waitress and Bob only two.

It finally comes time to leave a tip. How should they split the cost of it?
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darkoz
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:16:13 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This is a tangent off of this post.

Suppose two logicians, Jim and Bob, meet for a buffet lunch in a casino. Bob pays for both lunches using a coupon in the mail, which was based on Bob's play in the casino. The idea of the lunch was Bob's, because he had the coupon for two and didn't want to waste it.

Assume that Bob is an AP who was playing 9/6 Jacks or Better on double point days. Points on a regular day are worth 0.25%. Jim is also an AP but doesn't play at that property.

Bob also eats more of the expensive items in the buffet, like peeled shrimp, like Jim is more of rice and beans kind of guy. However, Jim orders three drinks from the waitress and Bob only two.

It finally comes time to leave a tip. How should they split the cost of it?

This has happened to me lots of times

The real world (at least amongst my circle of people) is Jim picks up the entire tip because Bob earned the comped meal and was gracious to share it with Jim
Ayecarumba
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:17:27 AM permalink
Jim appreciates Bob's generosity, and offers to pick up the tip. Jim will reciprocate when the roles are reversed next time.
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Wizard
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:18:41 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

This has happened to me lots of times

Me too. And I've played the roll of both Jim and Bob. I'll let some more responses come in before I state mine, but anyone who has been in this situation with me probably knows my position as I frequently opine about it when it comes time to open wallets.
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Romes
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:22:01 AM permalink
This has also happened to me a bunch of times. The 'most' logical way would be to use Bob's coupon for a free buffet, then Jim would leave tip. This is usually how we handle it, since Bob put in the work generating the coupon. There have been times when we split it anyways, but I don't think it should be 'assumed' Jim is leaving the tip, especially since Bob invited him. This breaks in to the 'dating' theory that whomever invites the other is responsible to pay (aka why women think men should ask them out =P). Either Jim pays, if he offers, otherwise I don't care about a couple dollars just tip. The number of drinks/etc is erroneous.

My ultimate answer would be to play server trivia and whomever loses pays the extra couple bucks.
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TigerWu
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:35:52 AM permalink
Etiquette practically demands that Jim take care of 100% of the tip.
Wizard
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:36:11 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

The number of drinks/etc is erroneous.

Do you mean extraneous?
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TomG
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:37:17 AM permalink
-number of drinks and wholesale price of the food is immaterial, as they were allowed to eat whatever was offered and order as many as they wanted, so they both maximized their own meal value
-the way in which Bob earned the coupon is immaterial, as it is already a sunk cost. Although the casino essentially paid him for the coupon, even if he was playing the worst keno game possible, it should be treated the same as if he has never gambled in a casino and they still mailed him a comp (which does happen)
-Bob got full value from his meal, as he would have eaten there even if Jim declined. We don't know what value Jim got, as we don't know what his lunch costs and benefits would have been had he not been invited. Obviously the cost he would have spent on lunch could not have exceeded the listed price of the buffet, otherwise he would have already planned on eating there (this assumes the coupon could only be used for two people for one lunch, not one person for two different lunches)
-The total amount of the tip should be based on the full buffet price, how long they stay (if not, less turnover would negatively impact the servers income), and the service provided

Jim should pay the full amount of the tip up to what he would have spent on lunch if not invited. If that does not cover an acceptable tip, Bob should pay the rest

possible changes:
-Jim should also pay 20% of the menu price of his meal before Bob's obligation begins
-after Jim has paid his tip obligation, the remainder is split 50/50
TheoHuxtable
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June 16th, 2017 at 10:37:57 AM permalink
In theory the tip should be based on service provided so Jim ought leave 60% of the tip as he was responsible for 60% of service.

In practice I would expect to pay 100% of tip when playing the role of Bob and would offer to pay 100% of tip when playing role of Jim. In either scenario, if the other party offered to chip in any amount I would immediately accept their generous offer.
Views are my own...
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