Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
Quote: OnceDear
Watching a few interviews with him, he clearly is NOT skilled at Blackjack basic strategy or counting, and he spouts shallow BS about how to play.
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That's the impression I got, he seemed really low life and he didn't sound like a professional Gambler who could win millions of dollars. That's why I posted that video I'm wondering about his claim that he got all these fantastic offers from online casinos but as soon as he demanded that he gets to audit them to see if their play is legitimate they all turned him down. That just doesn't smell right to me. He says in every instance he was just about ready to sign on the dotted line and then they pulled the deal because he wanted the audit. Plus where's the verification that he won all this money and that he's been banned in Vegas. Weren't they in Vegas when he was won that 2500 in the video? Plus he has neck and face tattoos and from my experience anybody who does that is borderline crook/con man/degenerate/you name it.
welcome to our Brave New World
teens and other trolls are using AI to generate fake nude and pornographic pics of people either for laughs or to harm people
re this article teen boys targeted their female classmates
this is not illegal in many states
from the article:
"there is currently no Federal Law restricting the faked sexual images of real people"
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/deepfake-nudes-of-high-schoolers-spark-police-probe-in-nj/
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.the link is from Nasa and they claim they may be able to send astronauts to Mars in the 2030s
they also state that during the round trip the vehicle will have traveled more than one billion miles
however space.com says that the average distance between Earth and Mars is 140 million miles
I don't get this at all
I think the round trip will take about 1.5 years
they're going to need to carry an awful lot of food
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/
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In order to send a rocket straight to Mars by a relatively short path, your spacecraft will necessarily approach Mars at a enormous speed. This means that you will either die when you hit Mars or you will need to burn enormous amounts of fuel to slow the spacecraft down for entry.Quote: lilredrooster.
𝙃𝙐𝙈𝘼𝙉 𝙈𝙄𝙎𝙎𝙄𝙊𝙉 𝙏𝙊 𝙈𝘼𝙍𝙎
.the link is from Nasa and they claim they may be able to send astronauts to Mars in the 2030s
they also state that during the round trip the vehicle will have traveled more than one billion miles
however space.com says that the average distance between Earth and Mars is 140 million miles
I don't get this at all
I think the round trip will take about 1.5 years
they're going to need to carry an awful lot of food
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/
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The rocket equation says that you will pay an enormous cost for sending this extra fuel to interplanetary space. It is much more efficient to take a path that approaches Mars from a more or less circular (but still elliptical) orbit around the sun. This takes a longer time. During this time, Earth, Mars, and the ship will be traveling around the sun at 60,000 miles per hour. Thus, the total distance traveled will be quite long.
Quote: Mental
The rocket equation says that you will pay an enormous cost for sending this extra fuel to interplanetary space. It is much more efficient to take a path that approaches Mars from a more or less elliptical orbit around the sun. This takes a longer time. During this time, Earth, Mars, and the ship will be traveling around the sun at 60,000 miles per hour. Thus, the total distance traveled will be quite long.
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Elon Musk has described this many times but it's way above my pay grade. When he sold PayPal he actually invested in SpaceX before Tesla, but there will come a time when SpaceX makes more money.
a man should drink about 3.7 liters of water per day which weighs about 8 pounds
1.5 years is about 547 days
about 4400 pounds of water for each astronaut
if there are 5 astronauts that's more than 20,000 pounds of water alone
whoa_______!!!
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You do realise that even current astronauts drink the water extracted from ALL their bodily waste.?Quote: lilredrooster.
a man should drink about 3.7 liters of water per day which weighs about 8 pounds
1.5 years is about 547 days
about 4400 pounds of water for each astronaut
if there are 5 astronauts that's more than 20,000 pounds of water alone
whoa_______!!!
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Quote: lilredrooster.
I think the round trip will take about 1.5 years
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Think harder, much harder. More like 2 years one way and 4 years back. You have to leave at just the right time. It is not the moon where the distance is static. You leave earth and get there. Then what? Unlike the moon you cannot just leave. You have to wait for the earth to be in just the right spot.\\
Food will have to be staged along the way. Lots of it. Water will have to be extracted from human waste products. It will still need to be staged. Lots of it.
When the astronauts get off they will probably be unable to walk due to muscle degradation. How big of a crew do you need? I think no less than 5 more likely 10. And that means lots more food and water.
Maybe we get there in the 2060s. But I doubt it ever happens. And by "get there" I mean get there and return safely to earth.
Quote: AZDuffman
Maybe we get there in the 2060s. But I doubt it ever happens. And by "get there" I mean get there and return safely to earth.
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I also think that we'll never get there with today's technology no matter what Elon Musk says. He's laying the groundwork but it's just too far away. We might get there with AI robots I could definitely see that happening. No food no water no oxygen. Technology is going to have to vastly change before we can ever go to some place like Mars. Like Elon Musk says we're stuck with fuel driven rockets which are extremely inefficient until we develop some kind of gravity device that will get us off the Earth and into space. And that ain't happening anytime soon.
good point from OnceDear about the water - I had forgotten about that
so, there is an opinion out there that Nasa indicating 2030s as an estimate is incorrect
that they're hyping their closeness to being able to get there
interesting - I dunno about that - whether their estimate is a good one or a PR thing - I don't have the knowledge to make a judgement
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Quote: lilredrooster.
good point from OnceDear about the water - I had forgotten about that
so, there is an opinion out there that Nasa indicating 2030s as an estimate is incorrect
that they're hyping their closeness to being able to get there
interesting - I dunno about that - whether their estimate is a good one or a PR thing - I don't have the knowledge to make a judgement
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They could possibly cultivate food, too. Maybe not food as we might know it, but some sort of nutrient gunk grown from their feces in some sort of biodigester.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: lilredrooster.
good point from OnceDear about the water - I had forgotten about that
so, there is an opinion out there that Nasa indicating 2030s as an estimate is incorrect
that they're hyping their closeness to being able to get there
interesting - I dunno about that - whether their estimate is a good one or a PR thing - I don't have the knowledge to make a judgement
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They could possibly cultivate food, too. Maybe not food as we might know it, but some sort of nutrient gunk grown from their feces in some sort of biodigester.
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It might be essential for atmosphere processing.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
Maybe we get there in the 2060s. But I doubt it ever happens. And by "get there" I mean get there and return safely to earth.
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I also think that we'll never get there with today's technology no matter what Elon Musk says. He's laying the groundwork but it's just too far away. We might get there with AI robots I could definitely see that happening. No food no water no oxygen. Technology is going to have to vastly change before we can ever go to some place like Mars. Like Elon Musk says we're stuck with fuel driven rockets which are extremely inefficient until we develop some kind of gravity device that will get us off the Earth and into space. And that ain't happening anytime soon.
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We have gotten many probes there so tat is not a reach to say. IMHO before you even think of sending men there you need to land a probe and get it to launch back and return. Bring back a few rocks. Verify that there is no Mars virus up there. If a nation were to do that their cred in the world would skyrocket. I cannot imagine how the USA looked to the world when we landed on the Moon, but it had to be huge.
Longer term you have to ask "why are we bothering?" Spinoff tech will happen, it always does. Realistically, a colony up there or on the Moon is 100 years away. Think about the powers of the world 100 years ago vs today. How would the Austro-Hungarian colony be faring? In 100 years we probably will have 2 billion fewer population, can that number of people pay for this?
Musk wants to drop his cash on it let him.
For those who do not know, they were a "coworking" real estate company. Say you are an indie type worker and you want space that is not in your home but a full office is not what you need. You got a desk and space. You got a place to go to work. This is a thing for people, myself included, that need somewhere that is not home to concentrate. I have worked from home and made it work, but this place you had "neighbors" that while you each did your own thing you got the watercooler effect of someone there.
Now, what happened? Well, WeWork said they were a "tech company." People not in the mainstream ask "Really? How?" But the investment community panted "TECHTECHTECH!" Because they "used computers" they were tech not real estate.
IMHO there is a market for this kind of space. But it has to start bottom up. A big landlord makes a floor of office space in a market with lots of it this kind of space. Different owners in different cities. As that works, someone can consolidate it. Perhaps let you get space in different cities if you want to go nomad. But top-down like they did? Nope.
Quote: AZDuffmanWeWork has filed bankruptcy. It is a lesson for investors.
For those who do not know, they were a "coworking" real estate company. Say you are an indie type worker and you want space that is not in your home but a full office is not what you need. You got a desk and space. You got a place to go to work. This is a thing for people, myself included, that need somewhere that is not home to concentrate. I have worked from home and made it work, but this place you had "neighbors" that while you each did your own thing you got the watercooler effect of someone there.
Now, what happened? Well, WeWork said they were a "tech company." People not in the mainstream ask "Really? How?" But the investment community panted "TECHTECHTECH!" Because they "used computers" they were tech not real estate.
IMHO there is a market for this kind of space. But it has to start bottom up. A big landlord makes a floor of office space in a market with lots of it this kind of space. Different owners in different cities. As that works, someone can consolidate it. Perhaps let you get space in different cities if you want to go nomad. But top-down like they did? Nope.
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I’m sure Covid mania was a completely insignificant factor to their downfall, no it was that they branded themselves a tech company.
What did WeWork offer that Regus didn't?
Quote: DieterI'm a bit uninitiated.
What did WeWork offer that Regus didn't?
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I think just scale and a whole lot of commercial debt.
Quote: TigerWuI'm not sure where some of you are getting your flight times for Mars... most of what I've seen says the average is 9-10 months, even as low as 5 months with a perfect alignment. Perserverance got there in 7 months. I doubt the first manned mission to Mars will be an actual surface walk. They'll probably orbit for a bit then come back without touching down.
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From the most basic google search:
"Mars is closest to Earth approximately every 26 months. Despite advances in space travel, it would take anywhere from nine months to a few years to reach Mars."
Thus 9 months is the average. But it is a round trip that matters. So we assume that we hit the shortest possible. Same search states that the cycle is 26 months. So, by the time you get there the return trip is almost the longest possible.
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I’m sure Covid mania was a completely insignificant factor to their downfall, no it was that they branded themselves a tech company.
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Blaming the china virus for it is like saying Amazon caused the fall of the American mall. Convenient. Partial cause. But the lazy way of analyzing it.
Branding as a tech company did not cause it. It did cause the silly high valuation.
Cause was the business plan was not sound.
They suck but anyone who thinks they can be eliminated by UPS/FedEx/Amazon is an adequate replacement has never spent a month or more in a US territory or is considering anything outside the continental US in the equation.
Quote: mcallister3200US mail is more comparable to public transportation but ok.
They suck but anyone who thinks they can be eliminated by UPS/FedEx/Amazon is an adequate replacement has never spent a month or more in a US territory or is considering anything outside the continental US in the equation.
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Quote: AZDuffmanFrom the most basic google search:
"Mars is closest to Earth approximately every 26 months. Despite advances in space travel, it would take anywhere from nine months to a few years to reach Mars."
Thus 9 months is the average. But it is a round trip that matters. So we assume that we hit the shortest possible. Same search states that the cycle is 26 months. So, by the time you get there the return trip is almost the longest possible.
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You must be using a different Google from me because even for a round trip all the numbers I am seeing say about two years on the outside. Even NASA says 21 months for a round trip to Mars. Nowhere near the 4 to 6 years you claimed earlier.
The billion miles number probably includes the time period that the spacecraft spends in orbit around Mars as Mars moves around the Sun.
The NASA statement seems unscientific. A billion miles in relation to what? The Sun? The Earth? Realize that the Sun is moving around the rim of the Milky Way, so everyone on earth is traveling enormous distances every year -relative to the galactic center. Then of course, our Earth is revolving around the Sun, so that motion is 2π *90 million miles/year relative to the Sun.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: mcallister3200US mail is more comparable to public transportation but ok.
They suck but anyone who thinks they can be eliminated by UPS/FedEx/Amazon is an adequate replacement has never spent a month or more in a US territory or is considering anything outside the continental US in the equation.
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M-A-L-L
not M-A-I-L
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Oof. My bad, totally misread that.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: mcallister3200US mail is more comparable to public transportation but ok.
They suck but anyone who thinks they can be eliminated by UPS/FedEx/Amazon is an adequate replacement has never spent a month or more in a US territory or is considering anything outside the continental US in the equation.
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M-A-L-L
not M-A-I-L
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Oof. My bad, totally misread that.
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Quote: EvenBobI also think that we'll never get there with today's technology no matter what Elon Musk says. He's laying the groundwork but it's just too far away. We might get there with AI robots I could definitely see that happening. No food no water no oxygen. Technology is going to have to vastly change before we can ever go to some place like Mars. Like Elon Musk says we're stuck with fuel driven rockets which are extremely inefficient until we develop some kind of gravity device that will get us off the Earth and into space. And that ain't happening anytime soon.
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EB, you involved in this? LOL
Thousands of people are reportedly lining up to have a portion of their skull removed and one of Elon Musk's brain chips implanted
J/k. *first we’ll put people in a bathtub of ice and take their kidney before sending them to Mars.’’
j/k we’ll just get people who sign things without fully reading to go.
Quote: rxwineI think they can easily find plenty of people to take a one way trip to Mars. You see people do stupid life risking s**** on video for a view count. Or you know, prisoners. Life in prison or trip to Mars? You pick.
J/k. *first we’ll put people in a bathtub of ice and take their kidney before sending them to Mars.’’
j/k we’ll just get people who sign things without fully reading to go.
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I’m sure that there would be no shortage of volunteers to go to Mars knowing they likely wouldn’t be coming back. We are all going to die eventually, and to be the first to set foot on another planet would be a way to be remembered forever.
Quote: rxwineI think they can easily find plenty of people to take a one way trip to Mars.
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I have a whole list of people I would like to see take a one-way trip to Mars. I can think of nothing stupider or more boring to do with your life but there are people that would do it.
There will be no shortage of people willing to go there and build for the future. I won't, but plenty of others will.
Quote: EvenBobI have a whole list of people I would like to see take a one-way trip to Mars. I can think of nothing stupider or more boring to do with your life but there are people that would do it.
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EvenBob in the 16th century, standing on the boat docks, watching the great explorers sail around the World: "Idiots."
We can't even figure out self driving cars.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: rxwineI think they can easily find plenty of people to take a one way trip to Mars. You see people do stupid life risking s**** on video for a view count. Or you know, prisoners. Life in prison or trip to Mars? You pick.
J/k. *first we’ll put people in a bathtub of ice and take their kidney before sending them to Mars.’’
j/k we’ll just get people who sign things without fully reading to go.
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I’m sure that there would be no shortage of volunteers to go to Mars knowing they likely wouldn’t be coming back. We are all going to die eventually, and to be the first to set foot on another planet would be a way to be remembered forever.
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I would probably be in that group.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobI have a whole list of people I would like to see take a one-way trip to Mars. I can think of nothing stupider or more boring to do with your life but there are people that would do it.
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EvenBob in the 16th century, standing on the boat docks, watching the great explorers sail around the World: "Idiots."
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Not at all I would have been on that boat. Locking yourself into a small space for God knows how long and going to a place where you can't go outdoors without dying is it entirely different thing. Plus when you get on the boat you know that if you don't like it there you can always come back. Nobody's coming back from Mars.
You wouldn't even be concerned. You would screw up the 110 needed to prosper. I would assume the oldest allowed would be 28? I would only allow people who understand Advantage Play.Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: rxwineI think they can easily find plenty of people to take a one way trip to Mars. You see people do stupid life risking s**** on video for a view count. Or you know, prisoners. Life in prison or trip to Mars? You pick.
J/k. *first we’ll put people in a bathtub of ice and take their kidney before sending them to Mars.’’
j/k we’ll just get people who sign things without fully reading to go.
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I’m sure that there would be no shortage of volunteers to go to Mars knowing they likely wouldn’t be coming back. We are all going to die eventually, and to be the first to set foot on another planet would be a way to be remembered forever.
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I would probably be in that group.
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I would probably be in that group.
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I don't believe that for a minute. No couch to lay on, no bed to lay in, no tater tots or gas station hot dogs, just freeze dried crap that tastes like freeze-dried crap for God knows how long. Then when you get there you're constantly trapped indoors at a set temperature which is going to be way too cold for you and you can't go outdoors without dying. No way you would go.
Even if they cut my appendix out, I expect to be rejected by health and fitness standards. It's just too long of a ride to the nearest ER for anyone to rely on my body off-world.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRich
I would probably be in that group.
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I don't believe that for a minute. No couch to lay on, no bed to lay in, no tater tots or gas station hot dogs, just freeze dried crap that tastes like freeze-dried crap for God knows how long. Then when you get there you're constantly trapped indoors at a set temperature which is going to be way too cold for you and you can't go outdoors without dying. No way you would go.
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The dying part does not concern me at all, I expect to be dying relatively soon anyways. You bring up a good point about the temperature. I would have to negotiate a constant 78 degrees.
work smarter, not harder, and all that.
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The dying part does not concern me at all, I expect to be dying relatively soon anyways.
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How will we know when that happens, will your posts change very much?
Quote: rxwineFrom what I've read before, MOXIE, a machine in the Mars Rover producing oxygen from the atmosphere would take about 2 hours to produce enough oxygen for a human to breathe for 1 hour. But I don't know if there would be any additional filtering process or other requirements. One might be able to use a cave entrance as part of the solution of building a larger facility by building on to the front of it.
work smarter, not harder, and all that.
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I would be surprised to find caves on Mars. Caves on earth are mostly formed by the action of water on soft rock, such as limestone. No underground aquifers on Mars.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: rxwineFrom what I've read before, MOXIE, a machine in the Mars Rover producing oxygen from the atmosphere would take about 2 hours to produce enough oxygen for a human to breathe for 1 hour. But I don't know if there would be any additional filtering process or other requirements. One might be able to use a cave entrance as part of the solution of building a larger facility by building on to the front of it.
work smarter, not harder, and all that.
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I would be surprised to find caves on Mars. Caves on earth are mostly formed by the action of water on soft rock, such as limestone. No underground aquifers on Mars.
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Google says caves on Earth are as old as 240 million years. So, if mars HAD any flowing water...
Quote: gordonm888
I would be surprised to find caves on Mars. Caves on earth are mostly formed by the action of water on soft rock, such as limestone. No underground aquifers on Mars.
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You apparently have never read any books by Edgar Rice Burroughs. There are waterfalls on Mars for crying out loud. Case closed..
Quote: TigerWuIf Martians are anything like Dejah Thoris then sign me the **** up.
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No, you get catfished. You get fake picture over the Galatic Internet on Mars EHarmony
Then this:
I could be off on top speed. The plasma engine is designed for speed.
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.the link is from Nasa and they claim they may be able to send astronauts to Mars in the 2030s
they also state that during the round trip the vehicle will have traveled more than one billion miles
however space.com says that the average distance between Earth and Mars is 140 million miles
I don't get this at all
I think the round trip will take about 1.5 years
they're going to need to carry an awful lot of food
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/
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