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December 19th, 2017 at 1:14:53 PM permalink
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No I did not. A modicum of further research indicates it may be an urban legend/hoax.




Oh I see, you're playing a little game with me. Goodbye.
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December 19th, 2017 at 1:37:40 PM permalink
I'll play.

This photo was doctored: Doctored photo. to make up this story: Snopes

You are trying to overreach to try to connect the dots and still comes up short. When you watch and believe a video is true and it is in fact false, all of your "facts" fall suspect. It's dangerous because the fake story is well made, but still completely and utterly false, but plays into enough people's hands that with enough paranoia you will believe it because it fits into your world view.

Because you in fact believe something that is clearly false (the video that you are talking about, youtube, here is also fake. The video is shown is actually a meeting of the Pope with holocaust survivors: Actual photo from actual event showing participants in the video who are not Kissenger, Rothschild, or Rockerfeller), there is a problem with the validity of anything you say.

In some sense, though, you are right, however. Power is in a few select hands, and certainly there are small cabals running the world, whether they are high level stock traders, OPEC, the small group of people running oil, gas; Vladimar Putin and the control of all large things Russian; large studio executives; the executives at Comcast / TimeWarner; Jeff Bezos and friends. The conglomeration of power of course is advantageous. But it is troubling.

I don't think, however, that the left is less aware than the right about this. You should check your "facts".
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December 19th, 2017 at 2:28:01 PM permalink
There's a reason the Flat Earth Society is growing. It's the same reason otherwise intelligent people could be convinced to vote for a guy like Donald Trump for POTUS.
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December 19th, 2017 at 2:38:52 PM permalink
I've said it before and need to state it again. My investments absolutely love our most wonderful president Trump! He's making American great again!
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December 19th, 2017 at 3:33:45 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Oh I see, you're playing a little game with me. Goodbye.



???

No idea what you're talking about dude.

You mentioned a video about the Pope bowing to Kissinger and kissing his hand.

I did my own research and was unable to find the video that you've described, and even linked to a video that may have led to your confusion.

Can you or can you not provide proof or evidence that the Pope bowed to Henry Kissinger and kissed his hand? Because I have been able to find no such evidence. I am not calling you a liar or saying you're wrong, but you can't accuse ME of playing games when you make certain claims and then fail to provide evidence of such claims even after I have made a good faith effort to do the research myself.

Or maybe you're just one of those people that can't admit when they're wrong.
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:20:11 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

there is a problem with the validity of anything you say.




You're right. That's Henry Kissinger's twin brother, Hubert. Wtf's wrong with me.
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:36:47 PM permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuhuYdHBpT8
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December 19th, 2017 at 5:54:11 PM permalink
This seems like a good place to write my trip report for the day. Tiring of arguing with people who have nothing better to do, I decided to go have lunch at the local casino. On my way there my cell phone rang and it was the girl at my doctor's office. We spoke for about 10 seconds when my call was dropped and I could not return the call because Verizon didn't feel like it. The soonest I could get through was when I was finally sitting down to order lunch at the casino restaurant. I called the doctor's office and explained to a different girl that I had talked to someone there earlier but had been disconnected before finding out what she wanted. She asked who I had talked to but I didn't catch the name. Then she says, "Oh that was the automated caller checking to confirm your appointment for tomorrow." I replied, "No, I GOT the automated call earlier, but this was a LIVE person I spoke with, and I don't know the name." To which she replied, "I'm looking, no, that was the automated caller." I repeated, "I know I got an automated call, but this was not that, it was a live person, we spoke for maybe ten seconds." To which she replied, AGAIN, "No, I show that an automated call went out to you, it was the automated caller." To which I said, "LOOK, I don't want to be rude, but I KNOW WHAT A HUMAN IS. Ask around your office if anyone called me." sheesh

She came back, "No one in the office remembers calling you, it must have been the automated caller." To which I replied, "Goodbye".

Right about this time, the waiter arrives at my table. I hang up on the idiot at the doctor's office, and point to the menu and order a sushi item. I tell the waiter, "Just bring me this, a glass of water, no ice, and put some of that green stuff on my plate, the hot stuff, wasabi or whatever it's call." And the waiter replies, "Oh, that comes with it." To which I replied, "No, it doesn't." To which HE replied, "Yes, it does. Look at the people at the table next to you. Is that what you mean?" I said, "Yes, that's it, but it doesn't come with this. Make sure there is some. Thanks."

Amazingly, the waiter says, "Don't worry, it comes with it." And I said "LOOK! I've ordered this a million times, it has NEVER come with the dab of wasabi." And the waiter says, "Ok, I'll make sure there is some." I say, "Thanks."

Ten minutes later, my order comes. Water, with ice. Thanks. Then, plate of sushi. I just sit there and look at it. The waiter asks, "Will there be anything else?" I just sit there, and say nothing. The waiter says, "Is anything wrong, sir?" And I say, "Well? WELL?!!!", as my eyes motion to the sushi. Of course, NO FRIGGING WASABI. Uh HUH!

Everyone likes to argue. But no one knows wtf they're talking about.

The End
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December 19th, 2017 at 6:00:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuhuYdHBpT8


I thought I was watching Star Wars for a second there.
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December 19th, 2017 at 6:01:39 PM permalink
It must be so challenging, being superior to everyone you have to deal with.
I'm amazed how you deal with it.
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December 19th, 2017 at 6:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

It must be so challenging, being superior to everyone you have to deal with.
I'm amazed how you deal with it.




I just want the freeways to myself, that's all.
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December 19th, 2017 at 6:34:39 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

This seems like a good place to write my trip report for the day. Tiring of arguing with people who have nothing better to do, I decided to go have lunch at the local casino. On my way there my cell phone rang and it was the girl at my doctor's office. We spoke for about 10 seconds when my call was dropped and I could not return the call because Verizon didn't feel like it. The soonest I could get through was when I was finally sitting down to order lunch at the casino restaurant. I called the doctor's office and explained to a different girl that I had talked to someone there earlier but had been disconnected before finding out what she wanted. She asked who I had talked to but I didn't catch the name. Then she says, "Oh that was the automated caller checking to confirm your appointment for tomorrow." I replied, "No, I GOT the automated call earlier, but this was a LIVE person I spoke with, and I don't know the name." To which she replied, "I'm looking, no, that was the automated caller." I repeated, "I know I got an automated call, but this was not that, it was a live person, we spoke for maybe ten seconds." To which she replied, AGAIN, "No, I show that an automated call went out to you, it was the automated caller." To which I said, "LOOK, I don't want to be rude, but I KNOW WHAT A HUMAN IS. Ask around your office if anyone called me." sheesh

She came back, "No one in the office remembers calling you, it must have been the automated caller." To which I replied, "Goodbye".

Right about this time, the waiter arrives at my table. I hang up on the idiot at the doctor's office, and point to the menu and order a sushi item. I tell the waiter, "Just bring me this, a glass of water, no ice, and put some of that green stuff on my plate, the hot stuff, wasabi or whatever it's call." And the waiter replies, "Oh, that comes with it." To which I replied, "No, it doesn't." To which HE replied, "Yes, it does. Look at the people at the table next to you. Is that what you mean?" I said, "Yes, that's it, but it doesn't come with this. Make sure there is some. Thanks."

Amazingly, the waiter says, "Don't worry, it comes with it." And I said "LOOK! I've ordered this a million times, it has NEVER come with the dab of wasabi." And the waiter says, "Ok, I'll make sure there is some." I say, "Thanks."

Ten minutes later, my order comes. Water, with ice. Thanks. Then, plate of sushi. I just sit there and look at it. The waiter asks, "Will there be anything else?" I just sit there, and say nothing. The waiter says, "Is anything wrong, sir?" And I say, "Well? WELL?!!!", as my eyes motion to the sushi. Of course, NO FRIGGING WASABI. Uh HUH!

Everyone likes to argue. But no one knows wtf they're talking about.

The End



Okay but what does this have to do with trumps final days

Is this thread totally jacked now
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December 19th, 2017 at 7:01:36 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Okay but what does this have to do with trumps final days


Read earlier posts and you might see the connection.

Quote: darkoz

Is this thread totally jacked now


Now it's jacked? lol
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December 19th, 2017 at 7:02:45 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Okay but what does this have to do with trumps final days

Is this thread totally jacked now




Yep, thread is over now. And no need to thank me. Don't mention it. My pleasure.

And hey, once we get The Wall built, we can start another thread if you'd like.
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December 19th, 2017 at 7:23:07 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Yep, thread is over now. And no need to thank me. Don't mention it. My pleasure.

And hey, once we get The Wall built, we can start another thread if you'd like.



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December 19th, 2017 at 9:19:26 PM permalink
Angry Parents Pull Kids from Class Over Ivanka Trump Visit

You couldn't make this stuff up if you
tried. Why are they angry, is it the
booming economy, Isis being wiped
out, tax cuts, booming housing industry,
low unemployment?

Or is it bitterness over a silly election
loss, where NONE of this stuff would
be happening if She had won.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/angry-parents-pull-kids-from-class-over-ivanka-trump-visit/ar-BBH2yT2?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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December 19th, 2017 at 9:36:46 PM permalink
It's bigotry and hatred by the left. They like to judge people based on whether or not they're...

1. Religious or not
2. Voting preference
3. Race
4. Drive a truck or not
5. Watch football, Nascar, or other sports
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December 19th, 2017 at 11:02:22 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

It's bigotry and hatred by the left. They like to judge people based on whether or not they're...

1. Religious or not
2. Voting preference
3. Race
4. Drive a truck or not
5. Watch football, Nascar, or other sports

It's ok to judge people if they drive a truck and watch Nascar.
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December 19th, 2017 at 11:17:31 PM permalink
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You should check your "facts".




And who is checking Snopes? You believe Snopes over your own eyes? Would you jump off a cliff if Snopes told you to do so?

Too bad Snopes wasn't around 6000 years ago. Could have cleared a lot of stuff up.
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December 19th, 2017 at 11:20:15 PM permalink
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Angry Parents Pull Kids from Class Over Ivanka Trump Visit

You couldn't make this stuff up if you
tried. Why are they angry,




Because it wasn't Linda Sarsour.
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December 20th, 2017 at 12:15:27 AM permalink
Senate Passes Historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

Speaker Paul Ryan declared, “Today we give the people of this country their money back.”

84% of all Americans will benefit from
this bill. So of course every Dem in
House and Senate voted against it.
A booming economy, who needs that.
More money in peoples pockets, bah
humbug..
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December 20th, 2017 at 4:27:10 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Senate Passes Historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

Speaker Paul Ryan declared, “Today we give the people of this country their money back.”

84% of all Americans will benefit from
this bill. So of course every Dem in
House and Senate voted against it.
A booming economy, who needs that.
More money in peoples pockets, bah
humbug..



The top 1% gets 83% of the gains.
$1.5 trillion added to the deficit.
By 2027, 53% of the country will see a tax increase.

What's not to like?!
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December 20th, 2017 at 5:33:50 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Quote: EvenBob

Senate Passes Historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

Speaker Paul Ryan declared, “Today we give the people of this country their money back.”

84% of all Americans will benefit from
this bill. So of course every Dem in
House and Senate voted against it.
A booming economy, who needs that.
More money in peoples pockets, bah
humbug..



The top 1% gets 83% of the gains.
$1.5 trillion added to the deficit.
By 2027, 53% of the country will see a tax increase.

What's not to like?!



I am the perfect example of someone who will see a tax increase in this bill. I pay silly high state income tax, and silly high school and property tax, and at least have previously been able to deduct them on my federal tax return. Now limited to $10,000, the majority of that deduction is gone. But I am not the type of taxpayer the left is whining about. This piece of information will probably make a few happy with the new plan.... oh wait, that's impossible, because NO MATTER WHAT is in the plan they will oppose it because TRUMP is for it.

The real results of this new tax plan will determine if the Republicans keep the Congress in 2020. I think 2018 will be way to soon for anyone to have figured out it's effect. I still believe even if it does help the economy, Trump is too far gone in everything else he does and says to get re-elected. If you think it is fun watching not a single Democrat vote for a single bill the Republicans propose, imagine what will happen when in 2020 we get a Dem President with BOTH houses of Congress still Republican?
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December 20th, 2017 at 8:37:03 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Angry Parents Pull Kids from Class Over Ivanka Trump Visit

You couldn't make this stuff up if you
tried. Why are they angry, is it the
booming economy, Isis being wiped
out, tax cuts, booming housing industry,
low unemployment?

Or is it bitterness over a silly election
loss, where NONE of this stuff would
be happening if She had won.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/angry-parents-pull-kids-from-class-over-ivanka-trump-visit/ar-BBH2yT2?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Wow EB, I didn't realize you were such an Obama supporter... but you're finally realizing the economy, housing industry, and unemployment are doing well BECAUSE OF OBAMA and
NOTHING that trump has done? That's awesome.

Oh, and apparently Isis is now wiped out, even though we've heard literally nothing and no news on that front... and the tax cuts are there, for people whom make a million per year. You must be very wealthy to be enjoying these tax cuts while everyone else is paying for them! Good for you...

Quote: EvenBob

Senate Passes Historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

Speaker Paul Ryan declared, “Today we give the people of this country their money back.”

84% of all Americans will benefit from
this bill. So of course every Dem in
House and Senate voted against it.
A booming economy, who needs that.
More money in peoples pockets, bah
humbug..

You're posting garbage that isn't fact checked. Go read about the actual bill and how it will COST americans. I posted SEVERAL LINKS about 5-10 pages back (in reference to RS) about how the majority will pay tons more, and the rich tons less.
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December 20th, 2017 at 9:19:16 AM permalink
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$1.5 trillion added to the deficit.




Don't you mean the "debt"?

Anyway, this is quite alarming. And I'm pretty sure that the candidate said something about reducing the debt. Where does it end? As Roger Kint said earlier, when the dollar's value is driven into oblivion?
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December 20th, 2017 at 9:25:44 AM permalink
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Don't you mean the "debt"?

Anyway, this is quite alarming. And I'm pretty sure that the candidate said something about reducing the debt. Where does it end? As Roger Kint said earlier, when the dollar's value is driven into oblivion?




By the way, AMS, were you talking about the rising debt while Obama was in? I don't remember, but it seems to me a lot of people were not, and some of those people now suddenly are concerned about it with Trump in. Don't get me wrong, it has always been a huge problem. I saw an interesting chart a couple days ago, the dollar has lost 96% of its value since the Federal Reserve was established. Is that possible? Did I read it wrong?
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December 20th, 2017 at 10:35:11 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: ams288

Quote: EvenBob

Senate Passes Historic Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

Speaker Paul Ryan declared, “Today we give the people of this country their money back.”

84% of all Americans will benefit from
this bill. So of course every Dem in
House and Senate voted against it.
A booming economy, who needs that.
More money in peoples pockets, bah
humbug..



The top 1% gets 83% of the gains.
$1.5 trillion added to the deficit.
By 2027, 53% of the country will see a tax increase.

What's not to like?!



I am the perfect example of someone who will see a tax increase in this bill. I pay silly high state income tax, and silly high school and property tax, and at least have previously been able to deduct them on my federal tax return. Now limited to $10,000, the majority of that deduction is gone. But I am not the type of taxpayer the left is whining about. This piece of information will probably make a few happy with the new plan.... oh wait, that's impossible, because NO MATTER WHAT is in the plan they will oppose it because TRUMP is for it.

The real results of this new tax plan will determine if the Republicans keep the Congress in 2020. I think 2018 will be way to soon for anyone to have figured out it's effect. I still believe even if it does help the economy, Trump is too far gone in everything else he does and says to get re-elected. If you think it is fun watching not a single Democrat vote for a single bill the Republicans propose, imagine what will happen when in 2020 we get a Dem President with BOTH houses of Congress still Republican?



You'd be surprised how much whining the Left has done on your behalf. Since you don't listen to the MSM, I'll tell you, it's a LOT. It was a double screwing to cap state/local, mortgage, and other deductions, and THEN lower rates on non-salary sources of income, too. It's completely unfair when your tax rate is already scaled.
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December 20th, 2017 at 10:48:57 AM permalink
Headlines:

Epic Overhaul Sent To President's Desk...
Lowers Taxes...
Repeals ObamaCare Mandate...
Allows Oil Drilling in ANWR...

TAX CUT CHRISTMAS!
HOME SALES BEST IN DECADE
COHN: MARKET WILL ROAR MORE
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December 20th, 2017 at 11:07:31 AM permalink
Trump won on fake populism. He's governing as a plutocrat. He said he would drain the swamp. He made it deeper. Voters in fly over states continue to be played.
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December 20th, 2017 at 11:37:23 AM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

By the way, AMS, were you talking about the rising debt while Obama was in?



Nope. I didn't care. Still don't. The GOP did care, though. Until they took power, that is.

I just enjoy pointing out their greedy hypocrisy. There's no shortage...
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December 20th, 2017 at 11:39:15 AM permalink
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Trump won on fake populism. He's governing as a plutocrat. He said he would drain the swamp. He made it deeper. Voters in fly over states continue to be played.



Let's be realistic: they voted for his bigotry against brown people. And they got it in spades. That's what keeps the ~33% of his diehard base happy, no matter how much he screws them over.
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December 20th, 2017 at 1:17:33 PM permalink
Winning!!!

TAX CUT WIN: AT&T Announces $1 Billion in Capital Spending and $1000 Bonuses for More Than 200,000 U.S. Employees

AT&T plans to invest an additional $1 billion in the U.S. in 2018 and pay a special bonus of $1,000 to more than 200,000 U.S. employees once the Republican tax reform bill is signed into law.

“If the President signs the bill before Christmas, employees will receive the bonus over the holidays,” AT&T said in a press release Wednesday.
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December 20th, 2017 at 2:06:20 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Nope. I didn't care. Still don't. The GOP did care, though. Until they took power, that is.

I just enjoy pointing out their greedy hypocrisy. There's no shortage...




Valid points, all around.

Tax cuts, although tax cuts are good, it's not good by itself without SPENDING cuts, because alone it will add to the debt. The debt is going to kill us, way before the North Koreans get a chance.
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December 20th, 2017 at 2:36:16 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Headlines:

Epic Overhaul Sent To President's Desk...
Lowers Taxes...
Repeals ObamaCare Mandate...
Allows Oil Drilling in ANWR...

TAX CUT CHRISTMAS!
HOME SALES BEST IN DECADE
COHN: MARKET WILL ROAR MORE

Don't forget these other headlines from MyRightOnlyNews and ScrewTheLeft websites!!!

1) Obama an alien!
2) Trump already fixed the world!

Taxes are RAISING and everyone will be paying MORE if you're not super wealthy... again, check my independently sourced and politifact checked SOURCES on what I linked pages ago about the taxes. You're flat WRONG that "taxes are lowering" even if that is the headline on your bogus "news" site.

Also, tens of millions of americans are going to be WITHOUT health insurance by 2024 now, thanks to trump. That's also posted, fact checked, and linked in this thread. It's sad that people just ignore facts and MAKE UP what they want now days, then use what they MAKE UP as their political stances.
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December 20th, 2017 at 2:36:33 PM permalink
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December 20th, 2017 at 2:52:32 PM permalink
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Taxes are RAISING and everyone will be paying MORE



"Middle-income households will get $61 billion in tax cuts in 2019 under the Republican tax plan"
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December 20th, 2017 at 3:08:22 PM permalink
SALT LAKE CITY — President Donald Trump recognized the “great chairman” Sen. Orrin Hatch while celebrating the passage of the Republican tax plan Wednesday on the White House steps.
In turn, Hatch, R-Utah, said, "We’re going to keep fighting to make this the greatest presidency we’ve seen not only in generations, but maybe ever."

"Mr. President, I have to say you're living up to everything I thought you would," the seven-term senator said. "You're one heck of a leader."
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December 20th, 2017 at 3:28:27 PM permalink
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It's ok to judge people if they drive a truck and watch Nascar.



But how do you judge them??
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December 20th, 2017 at 3:34:53 PM permalink
And Congratulations to every hard working American (who actually pays FIT) who will have more money in their pocket to do as they damn well please next year under President Trump’s tax plan in 2018 and beyond.

Save it, spend it or blow it up your nose, it’s yours, so enjoy it!

Because it was always yours to begin with and you know best how to spend it.
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December 20th, 2017 at 4:00:39 PM permalink
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Also, tens of millions of americans are going to be WITHOUT health insurance by 2024 now, thanks to trump. That's also posted, fact checked, and linked in this thread. It's sad that people just ignore facts and MAKE UP what they want now days, then use what they MAKE UP as their political stances.


Are these tens of millions going to be without health insurance by 2024 because they'll choose not to have insurance or because they won't be able (or it'll be very difficult) to get insurance?
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December 20th, 2017 at 4:11:50 PM permalink
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Are these tens of millions going to be without health insurance by 2024 because they'll choose not to have insurance or because they won't be able (or it'll be very difficult) to get insurance?



Making the right choice is never easy, but making the easy choice always will be. Sadly a majority of people will always make the easy one. Which keeps the Democratic Party in business.
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December 20th, 2017 at 4:28:30 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

And Congratulations to every hard working American (who actually pays FIT) who will have more money in their pocket to do as they damn well please next year under President Trump’s tax plan in 2018 and beyond.

Save it, spend it or blow it up your nose, it’s yours, so enjoy it!

Because it was always yours to begin with and you know best how to spend it.



Yeah. I checked my situation with a tax comparison app. I'm going to "save" a whopping $210 next year off of what I would have paid. Big party ahead....

In exchange for losing PBS, NPR, Meals on Wheels, Natl Endowment Arts, Head Start, 60 other programs? Valuable and exciting assets to public life, only possible through public support, cheap to the individual when supported through federal grants. My $210 was well spent.

Not to mention cuts to vital infrastructure for repair and development of roads, bridges, runways, railways. My $210 was better spent there as well. Amusing that Trump used the Amtrak accident to push his infrastructure bill as essential, when it actually cut 13% from previously scheduled funding for railway infrastructure, which was already inadequate. Speaking of inadequate. ...

Of course, with the top 1% receiving 83% of the money in this bill, and Trump personally benefitting to the tune of millions personally plus billions in estate tax, if those reports are accurate, somebody had to pay. That would be me, in lost services and programs now, and in my "savings" evaporating in a few years.

Welcome to a poorer, stupider, drearier America. Unless, of course, you're trying to emigrate here. Then stay out.
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December 20th, 2017 at 4:43:29 PM permalink
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In exchange for losing PBS, NPR, Meals on Wheels, Natl Endowment Arts, Head Start, 60 other programs? Valuable and exciting assets to public life, only possible through public support, cheap to the individual when supported through federal grants. My $210 was well spent.




PBS and NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts are not valuable and exciting to MY life. I don't care how "cheap". Don't I count?

Is that what the federal government is for? Well? You went to school. Did they teach you that was the proper role of the federal government? What is preventing funding for these from a local government source, or private source?

You want 'em? YOU pay for them.
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December 20th, 2017 at 4:49:31 PM permalink
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Yeah. I checked my situation with a tax comparison app. I'm going to "save" a whopping $210 next year off of what I would have paid. Big party ahead....

In exchange for losing PBS, NPR, Meals on Wheels, Natl Endowment Arts, Head Start, 60 other programs? Valuable and exciting assets to public life, only possible through public support, cheap to the individual when supported through federal grants. My $210 was well spent.

Not to mention cuts to vital infrastructure for repair and development of roads, bridges, runways, railways. My $210 was better spent there as well. Amusing that Trump used the Amtrak accident to push his infrastructure bill as essential, when it actually cut 13% from previously scheduled funding for railway infrastructure, which was already inadequate. Speaking of inadequate. ...

Of course, with the top 1% receiving 83% of the money in this bill, and Trump personally benefitting to the tune of millions personally plus billions in estate tax, if those reports are accurate, somebody had to pay. That would be me, in lost services and programs now, and in my "savings" evaporating in a few years.

Welcome to a poorer, stupider, drearier America. Unless, of course, you're trying to emigrate here. Then stay out.



As always we will disagree on how many of those who get your $210 deserve or need it. But to me many hard working Americans will get and deserve $210, $420 or $840. Because again it was their money to start with.

You believe these hard working people have an obligation to help others. You also believe a person who has found a way to make $1,000,000 though whatever hard work, sacrifice or education commitment they have made deserves to pay 39.6% ( or over $300,000 after deductions) of their income to the “common good”. Why? I would love your answer and will respect your opinion.

Or is it deep down you believe in a “common good” where enough is enough and no one should have much more than another man?

Where does it stop in your world vision? Why would any American working man have a house when people in Africa live in dirt huts? When people in India bath in rivers they also use as toilets? Why should we have Steak houses, or casinos?
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December 20th, 2017 at 5:21:11 PM permalink
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PBS and NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts are not valuable and exciting to MY life.



Mine either. I stopped listening to NPR
20 years ago when it became so
sickeningly liberal. All I ever watched
on PBS was Antiques Roadshow and
also was 20 years ago. My understanding
is that the majority of support for these
comes from donations, not the gov.
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December 20th, 2017 at 5:24:57 PM permalink
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/att-trump-corporate-tax-cut-bonus_us_5a3ae007e4b025f99e145c88?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

$1000 to 200,000 hard working people. But the POS at HuffPost see it as a payoff. Obviously they don’t see the good in people. Their fear of this bill working has them so scared they will take any crazy position against it.

Babs, is your party (sorry if your still a GOPer) that against the average American worker?
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December 20th, 2017 at 5:28:06 PM permalink
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Their fear of this bill working has them so scared they will take any crazy position against it.



That's the Lefts biggest fear period. That
Trump will be a successful president. It
terrifies them, make no mistake. That
he beat Her AND did well in the job?
Unthinkable blasphemy...
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December 20th, 2017 at 5:35:16 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Mine either. I stopped listening to NPR
20 years ago when it became so
sickeningly liberal. All I ever watched
on PBS was Antiques Roadshow and
also was 20 years ago. My understanding
is that the majority of support for these
comes from donations, not the gov.



But those Antiques Roadshows very good viewings in the late 90’s. We all dreamed we had something worth thousands hidden in our closet from a bygone era. We were living the liberal dream.
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December 20th, 2017 at 5:58:39 PM permalink
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But those Antiques Roadshows very good viewings in the late 90’s. We all dreamed we had something worth thousands hidden in our closet from a bygone era. We were living the liberal dream.



Just another fixed reality show. They look
at thousands of items at every show and
are bound to find a few worth a lot of
money. The impression they give is, we
all have thousands worth of crap hiding
in an attic corner. No, we actually don't.
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December 20th, 2017 at 6:17:56 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That
he beat Her AND did well in the job?
Unthinkable blasphemy...



Certainly unthinkable after the lack of accomplishments in his first year...

The GOP passed a "tax cut" that everyone hates. Yay!!!
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