Trump's Final 100 days
Quote: TankoThese are the new brackets compared to the old. Fortune
Most of us will pay less for now, but by 2027, the lower quintile will see a tax increase of $30, the middle quintile will see a tax increase of $20, the top quintile will get a $1,260 tax break, and the 95%-99% quintile will get a $1,010 tax break. Business Insider
By 2027, 13 million will have dropped drop their medical insurance, causing a 10% increase in premiums for most years of the decade. CBO Analysis
What's not to like?
2027 is meaningless.
ObamaCare will be dead because taking away the mandatory enrollment makes it unviable.
Quote: bobbartopOf course, when gasoline was 35 cents a gallon, the dollar was an ounce of silver. So gas was really over $5 a gallon. Nice try, though.
Yea???
If u actually understood what i was saying you would realize you just proved my point
Quote: darkozWell this is one leftie who has to disagree. The top should pay their FAIR share. If lower classes are having a difficult time that shouldnt be the burden of the rich. The upper class should pay no more than what it takes to help run responsible government. I personally wouldnt want anyone paying over 45 or 48%
In England back in the 80s or 90s they raised taxes on the wealthy to 90% with the end result most wealthy taxpayers moved to other countries. Of course they are the ones who when being slammed by taxes can afford to leave
Quite a few people here think they already do pay too much.
Anyway, it's more a sentiment. If you have 10 people in a boat, and two swimming behind it, the system is not working that well. Later you have two people in the boat and 10 people swimming behind it, the system has really broken down. If you have 12 people in the boat, I don't care if a couple people in the boat are living well because nobody has to swim desperately to keep from drowning. (fair wages, income disparity, etc., metaphor).
I didn't mention the two people who decided not to swim. People threw them some scraps, That's the most you can expect in that case.
Quote: bobbartopOf course, when gasoline was 35 cents a gallon, the dollar was an ounce of silver. So gas was really over $5 a gallon. Nice try, though.
In 1966 I was paying 19 cents a gallon.
I was a making $1 an hour at my job,
but that's beside the point.
Quote: darkozYea???
If u actually understood what i was saying you would realize you just proved my point
That's a pretty big IF. You're too deep for me. But why would I want to go back in time and pay MORE for gas? Especially when I could just run fast in my PF Flyers and ride faster on my Schwinn Stingray.
Quote: EvenBobIn 1966 I was paying 19 cents a gallon.
I was a making $1 an hour at my job,
but that's beside the point.
Right. And if i said you would not get a minimum raise but instead prices would return to those days you would still be happy?
This thought i have has been tried successfully. It just wasnt in conjunction with lowering wages
Remember the cost of a new release home video in the early to mid-80s? $90 per movie was the norm. Then universal made a big deal about giving a "present" to the public by releasing E.T. for just $29.99. They assumed they would lose money on that. Instead they surpassed all sales projections
Better to sell 10 million copies at $29.99 than 1 million at $90. That caused the floodgates to open. Today no studio would dream of releasing new releases that high except as special editions with tons of addded content
Now imagine if that could be accomplished across all aspects of the economy
Quote: darkoz
Remember the cost of a new release home video in the early to mid-80s? $90 per movie was the norm. Then universal made a big deal about giving a "present" to the public by releasing E.T. for just $29.99. They assumed they would lose money on that. Instead they surpassed all sales projections
I think that's because the primary market for VHS tapes back then was rental stores, who could afford the high price of VHS tapes. They were going to rent them out and make money on them anyway. People actually buying movies on release and owning it new was still a fairly foreign concept for most of the 80's, it seemed like. If you wanted to actually own a movie you just rented it and copied it, or taped it off the TV. That's what 99% of our video collection was when I was a kid in the 80's. It seemed like that was the norm unless you were rich.
EDIT: Wow, I just remembered this is the Trump thread, and somehow we got off talking about the economy of VHS tapes...haha....
"Our leaders drifted from American principles. They lost sight of America’s destiny, and they lost their belief in American greatness. As a result, our citizens lost something as well. The people lost confidence in their government and eventually even lost confidence in their future."
He's talking about Mr Wimpy, Obama. for
8 years all we heard was how awful we were,
how a crap economy was the 'new normal'.
When did Obama ever talk about American
greatness, except to run us down and get
on his knees and apologize and kiss the ass
of every foreign leader he met.
WH press secretaries we've had in a
long time. I love her no nonsense
approach with the reporters, she
takes no crap from them, ever. She
can shut them down with a couple
of words..
Quote: EvenBobSarah Sanders is one of the smartest
WH press secretaries we've had in a
long time. I love her no nonsense
approach with the reporters, she
takes no crap from them, ever. She
can shut them down with a couple
of words..
She shuts them down because she lies constantly. They don't have anything left to say any more. There is no point. They used to argue when she said something obviously untrue; all that got was repeated lies and not called on from then on.
Quote: EvenBobSarah Sanders is one of the smartest
WH press secretaries we've had in a
long time. I love her no nonsense
approach with the reporters, she
takes no crap from them, ever. She
can shut them down with a couple
of words..
Sanders is not "out to lunch" but that just makes her complicit. And not in a good way.
Quote: beachbumbabsShe shuts them down because she lies constantly.
Baloney. They shut up because they
know arguing with her won't put her
on the defensive, like it did with that
wimp Sean Spicer. They know arguing
with her is futile, she'll always win by
cutting you off and ignoring you. I
love it when she gives one word answers
like "No. Next question." Who can argue
with that.
the adults are in charge again in the
govt? Like Nikki Haley today saying
she's taking the names of the people
at the UN who are voting against
the Jerusalem move. No more funding
for you, suckers. Obama would have
been groveling on the carpet begging
for them to love him. Trump just gives
them the middle finger and moves on.
Quote: EvenBobDoes anyone else feel good because
the adults are in charge again in the
govt? Like Nikki Haley today saying
she's taking the names of the people
at the UN who are voting against
the Jerusalem move. No more funding
for you, suckers. Obama would have
been groveling on the carpet begging
for them to love him. Trump just gives
them the middle finger and moves on.
I think the last adjective I would call Trump is "adult". But go ahead, Bob. Gloat for a few days. I enjoy scrolling.
Quote: EvenBob
for 8 years all we heard was how awful we were,
Haha.... bullroar.
Quote:how a crap economy was the 'new normal'.
Eight straight years of market gains and decreases in unemployment is a "crap economy?" Home prices went up, median household income went up, corporate profits went up, alternative energy production and oil production went up, illegal immigration went down... of course, other things didn't fare quite so well; there was the whole Obamacare debacle, food stamp use increased, home ownership was down, etc., but to say Obama reigned over a "crap economy" is just nonsense. And of course, the national debt doubled under Obama, but obviously he is not single-handedly responsible for that, just as the doubling of the national debt under Bush is not solely his fault, either.
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Quote:apologize and kiss the ass
of every foreign leader he met.
Ah, yes, the old "apology tour" rhetoric... haha... I guess when a Republican is in office, it's just good foreign policy, but if a Democrat does it, it's "ass-kissing."
My life was just fine under Obama. Just like it's been fine (so far) under Trump. Maybe you guys should turn the TV off once in a while and take a walk out in the real world and not let the fear-mongerers run your lives.
Quote: EvenBobDoes anyone else feel good because
the adults are in charge again in the
govt? Like Nikki Haley today saying
she's taking the names of the people
at the UN who are voting against
the Jerusalem move. No more funding
for you, suckers. Obama would have
been groveling on the carpet begging
for them to love him. Trump just gives
them the middle finger and moves on.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Nikki Haley on the no-Trump train? Appointing her infuriated me, JUST because of that. It would be like Trump appointing Romney, after all the crap Romney said. That just blows my mind.
Quote: EvenBobBaloney. They shut up because they
know arguing with her won't put her
on the defensive, like it did with that
wimp Sean Spicer. They know arguing
with her is futile, she'll always win by
cutting you off and ignoring you. I
love it when she gives one word answers
like "No. Next question." Who can argue
with that.
Is EB seriously trying to pretend that Sarah Huckabee Sanders doesn't lie?
The shamelessness of some righties knows no bounds...
Quote: beachbumbabsShe shuts them down because she lies constantly. They don't have anything left to say any more. There is no point. They used to argue when she said something obviously untrue; all that got was repeated lies and not called on from then on.
I have started doing that on internet forums. Often now I don't bother to reply to contradict the obvious BS.
Quote: Tanko
By 2027, 13 million will have dropped drop their medical insurance, causing a 10% increase in premiums for most years of the decade. CBO Analysis
10%! PLEASE LET THAT HAPPEN! Obamacare has been more like 20-40% a year in most parts.
Quote: Dalex64I have started doing that on internet forums. Often now I don't bother to reply to contradict the obvious BS.
That's what most people have done here.
Quote: KeyserI hate to point out the obvious here, but considering that this thread started on May 18th, 2017 at 6:03:50 AM, we are way past 100 days.
If you read the first post, this thread
was started because the media had
everybody on the Lefts heads filled
to bursting with imminent impeachment
hopes and dreams. Now that Trump is
looking more and more like one of
the best presidents we've every had,
the Left is confused and bewildered.
They mutter a lot and scream at you
if you even mention Her name. Tread
softly, screws are coming loose..
Quote: EvenBobQuote: KeyserI hate to point out the obvious here, but considering that this thread started on May 18th, 2017 at 6:03:50 AM, we are way past 100 days.
Now that Trump is
looking more and more like one of
the best presidents we've every had,
the Left is confused and bewildered.
Yes, he certainly does look promising. He has a spine and he knows how to lead. I really like how he says it like it is and doesn't pander to the bigoted left.
Quote: KeyserYes, he certainly does look promising. He has a spine and he knows how to lead. I really like how he says it like it is and doesn't pander to the bigoted left.
Like it or not, Trump is a natural leader and
he is leading. Unlike Obama, who couldn't
lead if he tried. In 8 years nobody ever
accused him of leading either.
Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Kennedy, Reagan,
they were all leaders. Just like Trump.
As with all real leaders, you love them
or hate them. With Obama you did
neither, you just tolerated him.
'Judge George B. Daniels of United States District Court in Manhattan found that the plaintiffs had failed to show that they had lost revenue because of specific actions by Mr. Trump. Even before Mr. Trump took office, the judge said, “he had amassed wealth and fame and was competing against” the plaintiffs.
“It is only natural that interest in his properties has generally increased since he became president,” the judge said. '
The Donald's businesses are reaping the
benefits of him being president, as well
they should.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-dismisses-suit-against-trump-over-business-dealings/ar-BBH89QU?ocid=spartandhp
Quote: EvenBobLike it or not, Trump is a natural leader and
he is leading. Unlike Obama, who couldn't
lead if he tried. In 8 years nobody ever
accused him of leading either.
Obama was not a leader, he was a motivational speaker. Hillary was not a leader, she was the wife of the boss who thought that made her boss.
The "or not" portion tends to be the feminizd part of our society who do not understand leaders look out for their people. Look at the Israeli embassy move. The feminized types are all upset the UN some kind of vote. When told of the vote, Trump's reaction was. "and?"
Trump knows where he wants to go. People like that, it is natural. It is why a bunch of people lost in the woods and arguing about what to do follow the guy who says, "do what you want, I'm going this way!" He may not take the right of fastest route, but he will not starve in the woods. Obama was content to starve in the woods rather than maybe do the wrong thing.
Quote: EvenBobWith Obama you did
neither, you just tolerated him.
Michelle wore the pants in that family, and from what I've read on the internet, it's a good thing she wore them.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Sounds like selective prosecution to me.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Sounds like selective prosecution to me.
Thankfully your opinion on these issues doesn't matter.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/bannon-for-president-trump-kushner-ivanka
Quote:In October, Bannon called an adviser and said he would consider running for president if Trump doesn’t run for re-election in 2020. Which Bannon has told people is a realistic possibility. In private conversations since leaving the White House, Bannon said Trump only has a 30 percent chance of serving out his term, whether he’s impeached or removed by the Cabinet invoking the 25th amendment. That prospect seemed to become more likely in early December when special counsel Robert Mueller secured a plea deal from former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Bannon has also remarked on the toll the office has taken on Trump, telling advisers his former boss has “lost a step.” “He’s like an 11-year-old child,” Bannon joked to a friend in November.
Quote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Sounds like selective prosecution to me.
Thankfully your opinion on these issues doesn't matter.
Nor does yours. I'm just doing a public service, pointing out the double standard being shown by a moderator.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Sounds like selective prosecution to me.
Thankfully your opinion on these issues doesn't matter.
Nor does yours. I'm just doing a public service, pointing out the double standard being shown by a moderator.
I can cite examples of "ass" being used in PG movies.
Can you cite examples of what Boz got suspended for saying being used in PG movies?
I won't hold my breath...
Quote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Sounds like selective prosecution to me.
Thankfully your opinion on these issues doesn't matter.
Nor does yours. I'm just doing a public service, pointing out the double standard being shown by a moderator.
I can cite examples of "ass" being used in PG movies.
Can you cite examples of what Boz got suspended for saying being used in PG movies?
I won't hold my breath...
You both made crude and off-color comments. One got suspended and one did not. Seems crude to Trump supporters is OK. It is a shame we have to live with such hypocrisy but such is life.
Those general calculation formulas floating around are nothing close to accurate. I ran my numbers through one of them and the result was +$3100. I'm not counting on that until I see it, but it sure does make you feel good.
I do feel guilty however. I was one of the fools who got cajoled into voting for Obama his first time around, hoping that I would be a part of electing our first great African-American President. But after turning this country into a mess with all his lies, BS and race card crap, he opened my eyes to what a great and natural leader Donald Trump would be. And the fact that liberals still have tantrums makes it all the sweeter.
I felt vindicated almost immediately.
I don't know if it's what he said that got him suspended. I think it's more of who he quoted when he wrote it, or it was the fact he quoted someone at all.Quote: AZDuffman
Nor does yours. I'm just doing a public service, pointing out the double standard being shown by a moderator.
I like Boz ( I don't really know ams288 ) but I would have suspended Boz for that as well.
I have a feeling Boz knew there was a very good chance he was getting suspended. He probably has family in town for Christmas and figured it was a good time to take some time off from the forum.
I don't see a double standard in this particular situation.
I am happy that Trump was able to get one meaningful faulty piece of legislation passed. For the left panning the weaknesses of the tax bill (doesn't really simplify anything, massive breaks to the rich), ObamaCare was also very faulty. It provided healthcare for the masses yet failed to cut costs putting pressure on the deficit. The American people will decide in 2018 and then again in 2020 what they thought about the government's performance.
The question that I have is "what kind of America" do you want? Most people respond instinctively to a reduction in taxes with a positive vote. 2018 will be no different. It is easy to take news at its face value and just believe what you want to believe and quote news from unreliable sources. Doing research into what you are reading takes effort and time that no one seems to have. Journalists at reputable sites (there are even a few at FoxNews) used to be trusted.
To be clear, NYT and WP haven't been wrong on any of their stories. But their reporting sometimes doesn't matter and is antithetical to their purpose and makes them look biased (they are). For example, stories on "the mood in the white house", "what Trump watches on TV", "Trump's character". But does anyone care?
Most Americans care about their family's personal situation (money, love) and the things that they care about (NasCar, gambling, trees) and will take up causes to support that. Not many are able to see and understand and articulate the greater picture. In my opinion, simplistic views (immigration bad, greenhouse gases bad, taxes bad) reflect a simplistic person with simplistic views. Situations and people are far more complicated then most people understand.
The tax bill, as presented, will have far reaching consequences that people will not understand or care about. All I know is the immediate effect that my paycheck will increase because of the bill which is earmarked for my daughter's education. That's my local circumstance. People don't care about the deficit. People generally don't care of the defunding of a bunch of agencies because federal funding was withdrawn. People who are in the middle class generally don't understand or care about the effect of the bill on the lower class.
Which brings us back to the original question? What kind of America do you want?
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know if it's what he said that got him suspended. I think it's more of who he quoted when he wrote it, or it was the fact he quoted someone at all.
I like Boz ( I don't really know ams288 ) but I would have suspended Boz for that as well.
I have a feeling Boz knew there was a very good chance he was getting suspended. He probably has family in town for Christmas and figured it was a good time to take some time off from the forum.
I don't see a double standard in this particular situation.
I see a double standard for sure. However, I willingly admit that I am biased. That is why I would never make a good moderator. I for sure would have a lot more tolerance for the other sides opinion though.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: ams288Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Sounds like selective prosecution to me.
Thankfully your opinion on these issues doesn't matter.
Nor does yours. I'm just doing a public service, pointing out the double standard being shown by a moderator.
I can cite examples of "ass" being used in PG movies.
Can you cite examples of what Boz got suspended for saying being used in PG movies?
I won't hold my breath...
You both made crude and off-color comments. One got suspended and one did not. Seems crude to Trump supporters is OK. It is a shame we have to live with such hypocrisy but such is life.
Thank god I didn't hold my breath...
Quote: bobbartopMichelle wore the pants in that family, and from what I've read on the internet, it's a good thing she wore them.
You think she's a dude don't you?
Who here wouldn't have been suspended for saying the same thing?Quote: MaxPenI see a double standard for sure. However, I willingly admit that I am biased. That is why I would never make a good moderator. I for sure would have a lot more tolerance for the other sides opinion though.
I have no doubt it may have been more "fun" for her to have suspended a Trump supporter. I think she would have suspended anyone who wrote that.
Quote: SteverinosYou think she's a dude don't you?
There are several videos and photos showing something long and bouncing in her pants.
In a speaking engagement Obama accidentally referred to "her" as Michael. Twice.
She's got big shoulders. Built like a dude.
Joan Rivers identified her as a "tranny" and she was not kidding. Just before they botched a routine surgery and Joan Rivers died from it.
Yes, Steve, I think there's a very good possibility she's a dude. It's all over the internet.
Unreal. Pathetic.
Quote: bobbartop
Yes, Steve, I think there's a very good possibility she's a dude. It's all over the internet.
Dude or not, I found her personally revolting.
Totally unfeminine. When you see pics of her
and Barry from years ago, she always has an
angry scowl on her face, like she's continually
pissed at the world. To say she had Barry's balls
in her pocket is the understatement of the
decade. She's why they went to Rev Wrights
church for 20 years, Barry would have rather
stayed home and watched sports.
Lots of pics in there. Maybe one with a scowl.
I mean, get real. You can disagree with Barack Obama over policy, but attacking them on this front is irrational and stupid.
Quote: SteverinosAbsolutely ridiculous. And by "all over the internet", I suppose you mean pushed by Alex Jones and infowars. The same guy that SERIOUSLY believes that Sandy Hook was a hoax.
Unreal. Pathetic.
Was Joan Rivers really Alex Jones? And that was a great comeback, Steve, telling me "absolutely ridiculous". Oh, then I should just give up my opinion, because Steve says it's absolutely ridiculous.
What is that in her pants, Steve? A rubber salami? Have you SEEN the videos, Steve? Have you SEEN Obama accidentally refer to her by her male name, Michael? Or do you just have a feeling that it's absolutely ridiculous. And it's not just one photo that could have been photoshopped, there's all kinds of clips, including her dancing with Ellen, in a bouncing kind of way, if you get the drift. Have you SEEN Joan Rivers' interview and statements? In other words, Steve, do you know anything?
And then for Trump to choose Joan as the winner, when she was CLEARLY not the winner, that was it. This was right around the time Trump was on his racist mission to prove Obama wasn't an American. We are STILL waiting for the "amazing things his team has found" in Hawaii.
Something tells me we'll see what those things are when he releases his tax returns. Fat chance.
