MathExtremist
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October 4th, 2016 at 9:11:19 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

There's no difference in a ploppy playing a 5% loser for 1 hour, or someone playing a 1% loser for 5 hours.

Sure there is. The first ploppy has four more hours of his life he can spend doing other things. If those other things are more profitable than the -EV from gambling, the first ploppy wins.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
GWAE
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October 4th, 2016 at 9:36:50 AM permalink
ummmm if you have a gambling problem the very last thing you should do is come to a gambling website. Block the site and seek professional help.
Nathan
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October 4th, 2016 at 10:27:22 AM permalink
I remember someone saying he/she was getting addicted and got a second job just so they wouldn't have time to go to a casino. If you're not wanting to take it that far, you can just limit the money you bring to casino and leave when you are no longer having fun.
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Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2016 at 10:45:49 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I remember someone saying he/she was getting and got a second job just so they wouldn't have time to go to a casino. If you're not wanting to take it that far, you can just limit the money you bring to casino and leave when you are no longer having fun.

And a crack addict can just limit the money they bring to crack house and leave when they are no longer having fun.

That's terrible kentry type advice.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Oct 4, 2016
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
onenickelmiracle
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October 4th, 2016 at 10:49:45 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

And a crack addict can just limit the money he bring to crack house and leave when he's no longer having fun.

That's terrible kentry type advice.


This any better?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEXSiFzOfU
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2016 at 10:51:08 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Sure there is. The first ploppy has four more hours of his life he can spend doing other things. If those other things are more profitable than the -EV from gambling, the first ploppy wins.

That would depend on how one measures gambling entertainment value. If someone really enjoys playing for many house hours they might actually win. They also get more free drinks (-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
monet0412
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October 4th, 2016 at 11:05:24 AM permalink
I wouldn't say you have a problem with gambling! I would say you have a problem with losing or playing games that you can't beat. My advice is to switch the way you gamble. Learn how to play games that bring a return on your investment. You might not get the "juice" from playing low risk/low return games but I have found that if you can start to show a return on your time and money year after year it can do wonders for your psyche. You could go the route as already suggested with support groups and try to quit cold turkey but I find that the real cure is to go from showing constant loss to constant win. It is not very easy to do and you are always in danger of going on tilt but in the end it is a better struggle compared to the roller coaster ride of quitting and backsliding over and over again. This is just my own personal opinion and is in no way professional advice. It is just another way of thinking.
FleaStiff
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October 4th, 2016 at 11:14:09 AM permalink
You've seen the tee shirts... I drink, I fall down,,, I get up. No Problem.

IF your gambling is enjoyable, fine.

Its better than booze, heroin, smoking or alot of other things you could be doing.

IF it really is an obsession you have time to do those GA meetings.
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October 4th, 2016 at 11:52:00 AM permalink
This is, IMO, the most important recent insight about addiction of any kind, and it seems like OP has already reached similar conclusions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

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This gives us an insight that goes much deeper than the need to understand addicts. Professor Peter Cohen argues that human beings have a deep need to bond and form connections. It’s how we get our satisfaction. If we can’t connect with each other, we will connect with anything we can find — the whirr of a roulette wheel or the prick of a syringe. He says we should stop talking about ‘addiction’ altogether, and instead call it ‘bonding.’ A heroin addict has bonded with heroin because she couldn’t bond as fully with anything else.

So the opposite of addiction is not sobriety. It is human connection.



In short, what they've found is that people, and other animals, become addicts because they are unhappy with life, and particularly, don't have lots of good relationships. The reason a rat in a cage will take cocaine until it dies, is because he has been stuck alone in an empty cage. Put a rat in a cage with great food, toys and other rats, and he won't become a cocaine addict.

So, you know that gambling makes your other problems and obligations seem to disappear when you have action. You also mentioned that, rather than reacting to your situation with concern and compassion, you feel your family would look at you with contempt. Maybe that's true, or maybe you're not giving them enough credit, or you have some self esteem issue, where you assume others will look down on you because you look down on yourself.

But, in any of these cases, you are disconnected from your own family. You also said you are too embarrassed to tell anybody you know about this problem, which again suggests a level of isolation and/or alienation.



Quote: AxelWolf

Actually it's not good to replace an addiction with something else, even with something as innocent like exercise. He needs to further address the problem with a professional if he really wants to stop.



You don't want to just swap out one thing that numbs you for another. At least not as a long term solution, because, as you said, you want to address the root problems.

But, at the same time, when you give up an addiction you have a lot less drama in your life and a lot more time, which can make it seem boring and boredom can cause relapse. Also, really addressing those root problems might take years.

So, it can be good to have other things to invest in. Physical fitness is good. It can also help self esteem, which might be part of the root problems.

I'm a proponent of mental fitness via meditation and mindfulness, which can mean a number of different things. I got turned on to it by Tommy Angelo, a top mental coach for poker. And he discovered it because he became an alcoholic and that's how he defeated that addiction.


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I'm glad to see he's smart enough to realize this.... "Craps passline/don't with odds. I would chuckle to myself at the craps table as the "suckers" made proposition bet after proposition bet, when I was playing the minimum line bet with whatever odds I deemed fit. But I soon realized that I was just a bad of a sucker as they was, simply grinding away with the same bets, allowing the house edge to reap my bankroll "



Me too. I'm optimistic for the OP, because he gets stuff like this. I've been around hundreds, if not thousands of gambling addicts. Even when they know they have a problem, their minds are usually full of so much nonsense about things like the basic nature of gambling, that I think it's a barrier to them getting better. OP seems to understand it all pretty well. Just needs to make a few more steps.

You're also still young and in school, OP, which is great. You have a lot to gain by nipping this in the bud. You can still have a great life. Compared to someone who is 50 and has already destroyed his life.
AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2016 at 12:36:26 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

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In short, what they've found is that people, and other animals, become addicts because they are unhappy with life, and particularly, don't have lots of good relationships. .

It's not that simple and everyone is different. There's many different reasons people get addicted. There's people who lived happy normal lives people who never took drugs or had depression or emotional problems. Suddenly they get into a car accident and are prescribed drugs and become addicted. Happy teens just having fun drinking consistently can become addicted. They may not have even wanted to drink or do drugs for any reason other than pure pressure.
Apparently for some people, just experimenting with drugs they can quickly become addicted.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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