Dyvan13
Dyvan13
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October 3rd, 2016 at 11:39:47 PM permalink
Hello, I'm not a new user to WOV forums despite my small post count. I do a lot of lurking.
Let me start with myself, I'm a 22 year old employed college student living with my parents in henderson, NV, living here with my family since I was 14 years old. I make $10.50 at my job/hr, and this is my story:

I've dreamed of my 21st birthday. The day I could finally experience Vegas in its entirety. The night I turned 21 I showed up at a local dive casino at 12:10 AM at the craps table. I put my first passline bet down and felt nothing but bliss, despite winning or losing.....

Fast forward a few months later; Because I live in the Las Vegas area a casino is always arms length away. I'm recklessly gambling 5+ days a week, with no end in sight. Gambling is bliss. I forget about all of my problems and obligations as long as I have money either in my machine or on the passline.

I always prided myself on only making the very best bets the casino offered. I play exclusively 100%+ VP or Craps passline/don't with odds. I would chuckle to myself at the craps table as the "suckers" made proposition bet after proposition bet, when I was playing the minimum line bet with whatever odds I deemed fit.

But I soon realized that I was just a bad of a sucker as they was, simply grinding away with the same bets, allowing the house edge to reap my bankroll. But I didn't care. I was always chasing the next big streak at the craps table, or the next FOUR DEUCES win. If I lost $200, that means I was due to win at least $150 of it back since I was only making 1.36% HE Don't Pass bets. If I lost $300 playing FPDW, that would mean I was soon due to hit four deuces for $250 and then a big bunch of wild royals since I was playing a 100% payback machine.

So that brings me to today: I'm gambling 5+ days a week, going through huge bankroll swings. I decided at the end of last year that I really needed to be honest with myself and keep a logue of my gambling wins/losses. For the year of 2016, I'm only down about $1,200, which really isn't that bad considering its been 8 months of compulsive gambling. But the thing is, the addiction is growing. I'm needing to bet more and more. When I first turned 21, a $50 loss was upsetting. Now, a $50 loss is nothing. But, It's been very well documented how broke millennial college students are, and I fit right in with that demographic. I really should be only gambling a few times a month, if AT ALL. Period.

But it hasn't all gone to hell yet. I still have a few thousand in my bank accounts and am not in any debt, all still while maintaining a good college GPA and good standing with my employer. The only thing that I think saved me is that I am only playing 100% payback VP and Craps line bets w/odds. I don't touch anything with more than 2% HE. I still go through huge money swings, but the net effect is simply a small net loss on my minimum wage income.

I'm coming here to the WOV forums because I know I need help and I know I am among people who understand gambling: I don't feel comfortable talking with friends or family. None of my friends or family gamble and I guess I feel they would instantly demonize me as an addict loser and would just vilify me. I know someone who has lost everything (house, car, marriage, job) she once was proud of because of a gambling addiction, and I'll admit I'm not far off the course she was on. Today I picked up one of those "When the fun stops" pamphlets they have at the ATM machines in casinos. I want to attend some GA meetings as long as I can keep it on the down low from my friends and family until I feel I am ready to tell them.

Frankly, the reason I gamble is the classic textbook definition of addiction. I forget all about my problems and obligations as long as there is a bet on the passline, even though I know he's going to seven-out. And as soon as he seven-outs, I'm reaching into my pockets for more and more., chasing my losses blah blah blah until I'm broke as hell, driving home telling myself "I'm quitting gambling." But then I wake up the next day and the cycle repeats.

I know that sooner or later, as a part of the healing process, I will have to tell my friends and family. But where can I find anonymous help? I'm too embarrassed to ask anybody I know or casino personnel. I especially DO NOT want my employer finding out about this because I have never let gambling get in the way of doing my job properly; I understood that a well-paying job = a well funded gambling habit and as sick as it sounds, have gone over and above the call of duty at my job to voraciously push for a promotion so I can afford more gambling.

Thanks guys, I really enjoy this forum.
MikeV
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October 4th, 2016 at 12:27:04 AM permalink
Hello Dyvan13,

First of all, give yourself a pat on the back for at least admitting that you have a problem and are willing to seek help.

It seems that even though you are playing the low house edge games, I see a bit of that gambler's fallacy in you as I was reading your post. Nothing is "due" to happen. While I never felt that I had an addiction, I was quite wild when I started gambling too - and I started at 18 (Indian casinos in California)! I'm currently 25, not much older than you. Today, my style of gambling is much more conservative. When I'm consistently losing, I don't have fun. That's enough to make me stop.

You mention that gambling makes you forget about your problems and obligations. If you want, we can chat through PM to discuss them or anything else that's on your mind if you are not comfortable sharing it publicly.

I wish you well!
Always look for opportunities.
RS
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October 4th, 2016 at 12:45:26 AM permalink
Search for "gambler'S anonymous meetings Las Vegas" or something like that in google. Find one and go to it.

There also exist the "when the fun stops" pamphlets in every casino. Or google search for it. There's a phone number to call. Talk to the person. S/he can likely help you 100x more than anything anyone on this forum writes, I'd think.

Good luck in your endeavor going forward. Won't be easy, but you've already accomplished part of the toughest part (admitting it).
"should of played 'Go Fish' today ya peasant" -typoontrav
OnceDear
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October 4th, 2016 at 12:47:11 AM permalink
Quote: Dyvan13

But it hasn't all gone to hell yet. I still have a few thousand in my bank accounts and am not in any debt, all still while maintaining a good college GPA and good standing with my employer. The only thing that I think saved me is that I am only playing 100% payback VP and Craps line bets w/odds. I don't touch anything with more than 2% HE. I still go through huge money swings, but the net effect is simply a small net loss on my minimum wage income.


Hi Dyvan, Great post. Sorry to see that you are addicted, and pleased to hear that you are taking the first steps away from that. You have been fortunate so far, with variance not totally destroying you. Given half a chance it will.
I don't really know what the answer is to your question, because I too am addicted to gambling and a few other things. Having the bank balance to mask it is almost unfortunate, as that is an enabler. Steadily increasing the size of (y)our wagers is certainly a symptom that I recognise. That can perniciously hide the damage as it builds up at the same time as apparently helping you get back some bankroll. But good luck doesn't last: Each pull of the trigger in a game of russian roulette takes you closer to death, even if the next few times are empty chambers.
You have the job and the cash to enable you to play. Maybe you need to find a 'disabler' to counter that: Maybe locate and observe or talk to some losers. Maybe calculate your risk of ruin with those spreadsheets of Romes' with your 2% house edge. Maybe use a spreadsheet or run a simulator to show you the likely charts of the destruction of your money. There are many who gamble with house edges a fifth of the size of what you are playing and they would feel smug and scoff at your 'dumb ass' reckless play, just as you internally scoff at the reckless play of others..... But then those smart-ass players are in turn being laughed at and and eaten for breakfast by the casinos.

Maybe take a look at the expensive decor and fittings of the casino, one more time and figure out who paid for them.

Seriously good luck in finding support. Maybe, just maybe, this is not the best place.
Embrace the Variance
onenickelmiracle
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:06:00 AM permalink
At 3 am in a casino, who doesn't have a problem? Sometimes gambling problems are just symptoms of another problem, so not gambling won't really help.

Edited to add: I don't feel sorry for you and neither should you. For God's sake, your life is better off than millions, even billions out there. Bob Newhart had a skit once on madtv I think as a psychologist and his response to everything was, "stop it!" That's all it is.

If you stop gambling, your life might get worse if you've been entertained all year for $1200, because life is more expensive than that.
Last edited by: onenickelmiracle on Oct 4, 2016
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
Konbu
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:21:00 AM permalink
You need something else to occupy your time, like exercise. It will make you feel good for free. And you won't have the energy to go stand for hours at the table 5 days a week playing pass. Or spend more time with friends, go hiking, shoot some hoops, play board games, whatever. Occupy the free time you would otherwise spend at the casino.
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MrV
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:28:21 AM permalink
It's crunch time.

I see three possible doors for the OP:

1) Do nothing, and crash and burn;

2) Get professional help and stop gambling, forever; or

3) Use will power to develop the self-regulating ability to effectively limit/control the frequency and expense of gambling activity.

Without discipline, a gambler is lost.
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DeMango
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:40:19 AM permalink
How about

4) Become a don't pass player

5) Learn to throw the dice.
JoelDeze
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:40:40 AM permalink
Addiction can be painful. Win streaks can come in bunches and sometimes I believe the casinos "hope" you get on a win streak. It gives you a sense of false hope so you come back again and again until they make more money off of you in the end.

You should understand what you have control over rather than what you don't have control over:

1. You control the size of your bank roll each session and what you are willing to risk.
2. You control what games you are playing.
3. You control your target stop playing point (by setting a target win amount and a target loss amount). When you hit either, stop playing.

Every session is a new session. If you are still thinking about the prior session and trying to make up losses, you have just dove into the losing pool and you will drown. How you approach things you do in your life is just as important as what actually happens when you get there.

I would personally suggest getting this until you have had several conversations with people close to you regarding your problem:



Every time you want to go gambling, play with your slot machine piggy bank. In the end, you will be a winner.
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AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:46:59 AM permalink
Quote: Konbu

You need something else to occupy your time, like exercise.

Actually it's not good to replace an addiction with something else, even with something as innocent like exercise. He needs to further address the problem with a professional if he really wants to stop.

I'm glad to see he's smart enough to realize this.... "Craps passline/don't with odds. I would chuckle to myself at the craps table as the "suckers" made proposition bet after proposition bet, when I was playing the minimum line bet with whatever odds I deemed fit. But I soon realized that I was just a bad of a sucker as they was, simply grinding away with the same bets, allowing the house edge to reap my bankroll "

There's no difference in a ploppy playing a 5% loser for 1 hour, or someone playing a 1% loser for 5 hours.

I wonder if he's willing to stop gambling forever? Or is he going to try to just "control" his addiction?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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