SOOPOO
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March 24th, 2023 at 8:59:28 PM permalink
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In eight decks there are 104 cards of each suit. The effect of removing 4-6 cards shouldnít be significant

Iíve calculated the house edge of baccarat using infinite deck and itís a negligible difference from 8-deck
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Really? 99/411 = .2409
104/416= .2500

So you will get the 6 card flush 4% more often. And it pays 50 each time. Im not interested in doing the calculations for the 4 and 5 card flushes. But I stand by my guess that the difference between infinite deck and 8 deck with the pay table listed by the OP can be the from the 16% to the 12%.
Romes
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March 24th, 2023 at 10:39:29 PM permalink
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Quote: Ace2

In eight decks there are 104 cards of each suit. The effect of removing 4-6 cards shouldnít be significant

Iíve calculated the house edge of baccarat using infinite deck and itís a negligible difference from 8-deck
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Really? 99/411 = .2409
104/416= .2500

So you will get the 6 card flush 4% more often. And it pays 50 each time. Im not interested in doing the calculations for the 4 and 5 card flushes. But I stand by my guess that the difference between infinite deck and 8 deck with the pay table listed by the OP can be the from the 16% to the 12%.
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Also, that's fine if removing 6 isn't a big deal (which as shown above it's not "not" a big deal), but what about removing 10, 20, or more?

Use a suit count and redo the math (if you can't sim) to find the breakeven/betting point, if it exists.

Prediction: Like most things baccarat, there's probably a special count and edge to be had, but you'll have to stand around and back count multiple games for hours to probably only get a few bets in. Thus, the max wager is important for 2 reasons... EV and the wild variance that will come with it.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
ThatDonGuy
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March 25th, 2023 at 9:52:00 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

In eight decks there are 104 cards of each suit. The effect of removing 4-6 cards shouldnít be significant

Iíve calculated the house edge of baccarat using infinite deck and itís a negligible difference from 8-deck
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True, but I did the following full-deal runs (not simulations) on this bet, and I get:

8-Deck Shoe HE = 15.228891 %

25-Deck Shoe HE = 13.035449 %

100-Deck Shoe HE = 12.258446 %
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Ace2
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March 25th, 2023 at 10:21:30 AM permalink
Interesting. I would never guess infinite vs 8-deck could vary that much. At least it looks like my infinite calculation is correct as the edge is trending towards 12. Thanks for the analyses, ThatDonGuy

That said, itís a sucker bet either way and Iíd never make a bet with 12% or 15% edge. 0.75% is my limit
Itís all about making that GTA

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