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November 10th, 2011 at 1:09:50 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Nothing we can do about it anyway


I disagree that someone's behavior is automatically ethical if we can't change it.
rudeboyoi
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November 10th, 2011 at 2:36:23 PM permalink
i havent been there in probably 5yrs but i remember the poker room at majestic star in gary, indiana had the best window view ive ever seen in a casino. the casino is a boat and the poker room was on the top level and windows were open all around so you could look out onto lake michigan. plus you could also go out on the deck, smoke a cig, enjoy the breeze, and enjoy the view.
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November 10th, 2011 at 2:54:26 PM permalink
Quote: kp

I disagree that someone's behavior is automatically ethical if we can't change it.


I never said it was "automatically ethical" if we cannot change something.
The casinos' configuration of their windows are both ethical and their call to make.
I simply said "Nothing we can do about it anyway," - in that it is stupid to make window views at a casino an issue.
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November 10th, 2011 at 2:57:03 PM permalink
Is Sears acting "ethically" if their store has no windows? What is the difference?

I think the "no windows" thing in casinos is old school. Both WPA casinos have windows, one with a nice view of the city. On a similar note, Fallsview in Canada has a huge CLOCK! Right in the middle of the floor.

Casino management is a very risk-adverse-follow-the-pack group, but a few thinkers do change things. My opinion is have a nice window if there is a view worth seeing. OTOH, if all putting a window in Caesars gave a view of was the parking lot at the Dunes, brick it up.
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:16:45 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Is Sears acting "ethically" if their store has no windows? What is the difference?


The difference is motivation. Is Sears leaving out the winds because they want to place product along the walls of because they believe the absence of a window will make you buy a more expensive appliance? Same with the casino. Are they leaving out windows because there is no view or they believe you'll gamble longer without a window.

Businesses are in business to make money and maximize profit. They design their stores / restaurants / casinos / etc to optimize the customer experience in hopes of increasing profit. The question is where do they cross the line between ethical and unethical behavior.
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:22:50 PM permalink
isnt this sort of similar to how you have to walk through a grocery store to get the gallon of milk thats on sale in the back?
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:44:11 PM permalink
Quote: kp

The difference is motivation.



But then you could argue everyone's unethical.

Is Burger King unethical because they play upbeat music and offer hard chairs, to discourage you from hanging out? It's a get em in, get em out psychology move, is that "wrong"?

Many products, like those in the wine thread, create this air of superiority through marketing that results in their products going for 100's if not 1000's of times more money than their competitor, even though they're all just old grape juice. Is that wrong?

Every fast food joint's sign color is red and yellow. There's a reason. Are they "wrong" for using this psychological move?

Look at Dan. Now back to me. You're in a casino. Look down. Now back to me. You just won big. Look here. It's an amazingly attractive female. Unfortunatley, she doesn't know we're in an Old Spice commercial, so she doesn't pay you any attention. Is Old Spice wrong for duping you? I'm on a horse.

The casino is no different in this regard. IF the lack of windows are purposeful, IF the drinks, IF the cheques, IF the comps are all there ONLY to take your money, how is that different than any other business?
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:52:53 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

isnt this sort of similar to how you have to walk through a grocery store to get the gallon of milk thats on sale in the back?



Along the same lines, is it unethical for a supermarket to put the cookies on the lower shelves so that little kids see them and nag their parents to buy them?
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:53:50 PM permalink
Quote: Face

But then you could argue everyone's unethical.

Is Burger King unethical because they play upbeat music and offer hard chairs, to discourage you from hanging out? It's a get em in, get em out psychology move, is that "wrong"?

Many products, like those in the wine thread, create this air of superiority through marketing that results in their products going for 100's if not 1000's of times more money than their competitor, even though they're all just old grape juice. Is that wrong?

Every fast food joint's sign color is red and yellow. There's a reason. Are they "wrong" for using this psychological move?

Look at Dan. Now back to me. You're in a casino. Look down. Now back to me. You just won big. Look here. It's an amazingly attractive female. Unfortunatley, she doesn't know we're in an Old Spice commercial, so she doesn't pay you any attention. Is Old Spice wrong for duping you? I'm on a horse.

The casino is no different in this regard. IF the lack of windows are purposeful, IF the drinks, IF the cheques, IF the comps are all there ONLY to take your money, how is that different than any other business?



Exactly. Any psychological "trick" to get consumers to spend more on their products/services is simply smart business.
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November 10th, 2011 at 3:57:12 PM permalink
Quote: AZ

I think the "no windows" thing in casinos is old school. Both WPA casinos have windows, one with a nice view of the city. On a similar note, Fallsview in Canada has a huge CLOCK! Right in the middle of the floor.



I feel stupid. I've walked past that clock so many times, and I never noticed that it was a clock.

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