TIMSPEED
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November 30th, 2010 at 10:42:11 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

It is extremely rare that a Boxman will ever take over. Usually there will be someone at the table or even a passerby who will come to the rescue or the shooter will realize he is being a jerk and will change his mind, but the house is required to determine the contract bet in a prompt and fair manner. And yes, if you ever actually see this very rare event happen: the floor and pit will be there as witnesses and the stick man will still turn the dice before pushing them out to the Boxman. The house never really wants anyone but a player to roll the bones.



I wished I would have known that...there used to be this dick of a boxman, and if I woulda known he woulda been forced to shoot, I would have done that at least once a day to him ($2 table)
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Martin
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November 30th, 2010 at 11:30:17 AM permalink
Great questions - let me take my shot.

The cherry spot is left or right of the stick. You have a shorter throw and can see the dice - and for all you eagle eyes out there - I'm 66 years old and sometimes, given the lighting, I can't see the dice from one end of a 12 foot table to the other.

Tip during the play but not every hand. When you do you could put a couple of bucks on the hard 6 or hard 8. If the table has a fire bet put a buck on the fire for the team. If you are a prop bettor and you just hit a good payoff follow it up with a bet for the dealers of a buck or so on your replay. When you shoot put a bet on the line for them - no more than a buck or two and you don't have to play odds. I usually make it a place bet on the point. If I hit a couple of points the dealer bet increases. If I hit a big payoff on a place bet I generally put a place bet down for the dealers on that number. I always leave something when I leave the table. If I've won big I leave a good sized tip if I didn't I leave a smaller tip. If I've lost - no tip - which is why I like tipping as we go.

This has been answered adequately - you control the pace of the table when you are the only one there. Remember the casino needs you - you do not need them. Also the reason they kept shoving the dice at you is because most single shooters like a fast game.

Most places I play they say "dice are moving" which is the indicator that the stick is passing the dice to the shooter. If a person is attempting to bet at that time they will tell them dice are out. If the table likes the person who is trying to bet and he drops his money on the table and calls his bet the one of the team will normally say - "bet" as in "it's a bet."

I've seen people give up in the middle of a point - for the life of me I have no idea why they do that. I've seen others quit after making a point and still others quit after hitting a couple of 7's on the come out roll.
focd
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November 30th, 2010 at 5:41:58 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Now sometimes a crew wants to go home on an Early Out request when things are really slow and so if you suddenly join a dead table that they want the Floor to close and let them go home, they will try to pick up the pace, but that is rare.


So do casinos in Reno/Vegas (Nevada) usually have craps 24 hours a day (at least one table open) or is it too costly to have 1 open early in the morning (4-8am)?

Edit - I ask because they close the craps tables during certain hours at the local casinos in California. (not sure what time or how they close it - but they are usually open around 12pm at most)
Ayecarumba
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November 30th, 2010 at 5:58:07 PM permalink
Quote: focd

So do casinos in Reno/Vegas (Nevada) usually have craps 24 hours a day (at least one table open) or is it too costly to have 1 open early in the morning (4-8am)?

Edit - I ask because they close the craps tables during certain hours at the local casinos in California. (not sure what time or how they close it - but they are usually open around 12pm at most)



I've never seen a casino with all the craps tables closed in Nevada, even early in the morning in the middle of a non-holiday week. I have seen some joints put up a short wall to cut a full table into a "tub" which was run by one stick/dealer.
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focd
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November 30th, 2010 at 6:01:24 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I've never seen a casino with all the craps tables closed in Nevada, even early in the morning in the middle of a non-holiday week. I have seen some joints put up a short wall to cut a full table into a "tub" which was run by one stick/dealer.


Just curious as to how often you go to play out in Nevada? I am curious to know as you get probably the worst service if the craps crew wants to leave/go home. This is also where all these conspiracy theories also come in (dealers probably calling out the wrong numbers so you lose faster so they can go home).

What I have seen is they have a craps table open but with no dealer on one side in CA. They don't however, put up a wall. There is still a boxman though. I thought it was a first to see a boxman/pitboss wander off in CA. In Reno, they did the same thing (no boxman sometimes).
joenunz
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November 30th, 2010 at 6:15:32 PM permalink
Last year, on a Friday afternoon at Ellis Island there was one dealer, no box person or stick. It was me and one other guy at the table...the dealer was perfect, no mistakes, though after about 15 minutes she looked exhausted. If I remember correctly, the box person was splitting time between the craps table and a few card tables.
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DJTeddyBear
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November 30th, 2010 at 6:34:15 PM permalink
When I was in Vegas last September, I stayed at Sahara. They had three tables, but I never saw more than two open, usually only one. One morning (Thursday?) I went down at around 7:00 and there were none open. This year I stayed at Imperial Palace, but stopped at Sahara lunchtime one day. They had removed one table, and only one was open - and it was running without a boxman.

In fact, that's one of the things I noticed on my trip this year. Craps tables in many casinos did not have a boxman.
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Doc
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November 30th, 2010 at 7:44:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I've never seen a casino with all the craps tables closed in Nevada, even early in the morning in the middle of a non-holiday week. I have seen some joints put up a short wall to cut a full table into a "tub" which was run by one stick/dealer.

I have seen a number of smaller casinos that may be open 24/7 for slots but do not operate any of their table games around the clock. Examples I remember in metro Las Vegas include Gold Spike, Club Fortune, and probably some others. I'm fairly certain I have seen places with BJ running but all craps tables down, but I can't remember clearly enough to cite the casino. The one time that I visited the Silver Saddle (an experience I wrote about on this forum last May), I learned that their tables (no craps) were only open a few days a week because of the down economy. I suspect the same factor impacts whether some places can operate a crap table 24/7.
focd
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November 30th, 2010 at 8:07:01 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

When I was in Vegas last September, I stayed at Sahara. They had three tables, but I never saw more than two open, usually only one. One morning (Thursday?) I went down at around 7:00 and there were none open.


This is something I am curious about and really want to know. So do some casinos (real casinos with hotels in Vegas/Reno - not those tiny casinos) really have all craps tables down during certain hours? Anyone confirm this?
ElectricDreams
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November 30th, 2010 at 9:15:41 PM permalink
This is sort of related - I've always wondered how much money casinos actually make off of craps tables, minus labor. That's a lot of staffing to put toward just one game, so I guess it's not surprising that casinos might be trying to cut down on number of personnel at a table in slow hours.

I mean, think about it: Blackjack takes one dealer, experienced ones can go fast, and people love the game, so there's no reason not to have at least one table open. Craps takes four! And what if you only have one or two guys standing around making minimum pass line bets or something?

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