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If there was no monetary exchange at the tables, the sports book, the slot machines.... there would be little to no activity... just sayin!
Quote: WatchMeWin
If there was no monetary exchange at the tables, the sports book, the slot machines.... there would be little to no activity... just sayin!
I would play for sandwiches.
Quote: WatchMeWin'wmw `tm`.
What's wmw? What's tm?
I think I just figured it out. wmw probably means watchmewin and tm probably means trademark.
Let me explain. A long time ago, in a universe far, far away, some literary agents requested that I do sample chapters for a book about gambling.
One of the key themes of the sample chapters was that not all resources are material. American capitalism largely blinds people to that reality. So if you maintain some control of what you're doing, losing money gambling can be an overall positive, even if you just count the material end of things and especially if you do not.
First, a non-material example. Everybody wants to be James Bond. Well, if you're James Bond and you lose money, but you garner a certain personal profile that aids you among your business peers or in the pursuit of sex or relationships in general, then a net loss in money can lead to a net win in living.
Next, a material example. If the relationships boosted by the gambling have networking or profile value for you business-wise, then losing the money can boost your overall financial situation despite the (limited) gambling losses.
Also, if you operate at a certain level in life in general financially, then blowing off steam or relaxing while losing some incremental amount of money may be the mental/psychological equivalent of meditation-for-cost that gives you an efficient break and rest from your job. That break, if it refreshes and boosts you, can be of value if it's one of the optimal things you can do to rest. Many writers, for example, often recommend working at a mundane 9-to-5 job to contrast with the neurons you're burning while you're writing in your "spare time." Gambling of various sorts may provide a way to rest those parts of you that you use in money-making life or during relationship-building.
Now of course the problem is that most avenues of gambling are provably addictive, so that's the trap. When people like Leonard Tose or drug czar William Bennett lose their asses, you see the dangers. Bennett was lecturing on "Just say no," while gambling in his hotel rooms (he had machines put in the rooms -- LOL) and cavorting with babes. Anyway, between these guys, and Michael Jordan (who can sort of afford it) and Charles Barkley (who sort of can't), the caveats are in plain sight.
Overall, however, you can make the case that controlled gambling has a potential upside despite financial losses.
Quote: redietzEverybody wants to be James Bond. Well, if you're James Bond and you lose money, but you garner a certain personal profile that aids you among your business peers or in the pursuit of sex or relationships in general, then a net loss in money can lead to a net win in living.
To a certain extent anyone who walks up to a gaming table, especially a high limit Baccarat table but really, any table game, and pulls out vast sums of chips is doing it because he feels he's at a place in his life where he may afford to bask in the fruits of his labors by indulging in gambling. Gambling - whether with the French nobility and their Chemin de Fer or the "sport of kings" - horse racing - has always been something that people with too much money entertain.
A friend of mine once suggested I buy a race horse.
"Why?" I wondered, "so I can win some money?"
"No, so that you could lose and not care."
I've seen with my own eyes and pit bosses have remarked to me about Asian players at the Bacc. tables who lose millions and then come back just weeks later to do the same again. To me, losing would be no fun and I'd stop it after one or two losing trips, but apparently that is not the way many see it. That is notwithstanding the possibility that some of these huge losers are compulsive gamblers, but then they have achieved success to the point of being able to play very big and I'd think most compulsive people would have lacked the discipline to succeed at anything.
They do play the James Bond theme every now and then at Wynn. 😎The idea is definitely to get people pumped. Not too different from when you're at the gym about to leg press some massive weight and Tom Petty's Runnin' Down a Dream comes blaring over the sound system.
I really believe people might be better off selectively defining themselves rather than using that phrase "Advantage Play." If you're a card counter, great. A machine hustler, great. A bonus whore, great. All of these things, separately, can yield a true advantage. When people start claiming they do some of this and some of that, I kind of roll my eyes, like I would regarding a doctor who says he delivers children, does brain surgery, and provides epidemiological advice.
Card counting, and knowing how to apply that to real casino situations, is its own thing requiring an awful lot of experience and expertise. Machine hustling is its own thing. I have a lot of issues with mickey crimm at the moment, but I think expertise-wise, he does know his machine playing as well as anyone. But this idea that people can truly be "advantage players" across a wide range of endeavors is semi-ridiculous, in my mind. I don't even like the idea of claiming that someone wins at "sports betting." The phrase "sports betting" covers too much ground. There are college hoops savants. There are college football savants. Not sure anybody wins much at anything else in terms of everyday betting, and I've been doing this for 40 years.
So I have a problem with "I am an 'advantage play' gambler" as a broad statement. If you think you can do everything, odds are you aren't doing anything terribly well.
Quote: redietz
So I have a problem with "I am an 'advantage play' gambler" as a broad statement. If you think you can do everything, odds are you aren't doing anything terribly well.
But some people only gamble where they have an advantage. They would be advantage gamblers.
Quote: redietz
So I have a problem with "I am an 'advantage play' gambler" as a broad statement. If you think you can do everything, odds are you aren't doing anything terribly well.
A machine player can't know how to take advantage of a hole card opportunity? A card counter can't walk by a must hit by and quickly crunch the numbers to know if its in a positive state? This has to be a troll post.
A good advantage gambler has many tools in their 🧰.