Best Machine to Play - Stay Even and Earn Points

What is the best machine to play with the goal of staying even, while maximizing slot club points?

I am thinking it is one of the following:

Hundred Play Poker

Craps - bet on pass / no pass

Roulette Single Zero - bet on red and black

Any other good options?

The best game would be Hundred Play Jacks or Better, ideally 9/6, with an 0.46% house edge. For a given bet size, the combination of hundred play and a low-variance game would give you the best chance of breaking even. The equivalent bet size on video craps or roulette would subject you to much greater variance.

For instance, playing .05 Hundred Play 9/6 JOB would give you a bet size of $25, which would mean an expected loss of about 12 cents a hand. Craps line bets of the same size would cost you roughly 35 cents a decision (and another major problem with craps is that you will have a lot of no-decision rolls); roulette single zero would cost a bit more than 67 cents per decision.

You can't stay even but only see an illusion you will stay even. The slot club details are pretty important because you know many treat many machines and tables differently. Video poker seems the cheapest usually even at double the play requirements. Getting a tier cheaply won't probably matter because the casino will know how you got it and treat you like Crap anyways.

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The best game would be Hundred Play Jacks or Better, ideally 9/6, with an 0.46% house edge. For a given bet size, the combination of hundred play and a low-variance game would give you the best chance of breaking even. The equivalent bet size on video craps or roulette would subject you to much greater variance.

For instance, playing .05 Hundred Play 9/6 JOB would give you a bet size of $25, which would mean an expected loss of about 12 cents a hand. Craps line bets of the same size would cost you roughly 35 cents a decision (and another major problem with craps is that you will have a lot of no-decision rolls); roulette single zero would cost a bit more than 67 cents per decision.

With the vague info given by OP, assuming or hoping he had "full pay" nickel 100-play in his area is a very bad assumption. The best 100-play game in my home area is < 98%, but the same casino does offer 9/6 JoB for quarters.

Quote: tringlomane

With the vague info given by OP, assuming he had "full pay" nickel 100-play in his area is a very bad assumption. The best 100-play game in my home area is < 98%, but the same casino does offer 9/6 JoB for quarters.

BR, location and other goals are needed.

the real answer is:
D: non of the above

Depends on what games are offered, if there are any restrictions, what your goal is, and what kind of a bankroll and variance you're able to handle.

For instance, you could play JOB (0.46% HE) with low volatility, or NSUD (~0.27% HE) with higher volatility. Variance vs HE.

On a similar note, you COULD play $0.01 9/6 JoB, which would be the least volatile game I can think of (not that it exists)....but would take quite a while to get the coin in. Or you could do $25 9/6 JoB with higher volatility (since it's more $/spin) and achieve your tier status quicker. You likely want to be somewhere in between -- but where?

JoB is really not that low volatility. It is low for video poker, but still very high.

You have 2% of your return tied up in an 800-1 payout. That is not low volatility. Games where all bets pay even money are low volatility. Casino war. Pass line in craps (no odds). Even-money roulette bets. That is low volatility.

I would play 1 cent 100 play NSUD with at least a 0.3% cash back.

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What is the best machine to play with the goal of staying even, while maximizing slot club points?

Any other good options?

I usually do OK on single deck video blackjack, so long as splits and doubles are allowed. Not an easy find, as far as I can tell.

Usually terrible rules, 1:1, split pairs only (like QQ, but not KJ), and D10/11 only. Still, if the goal is holding even... I ran about $250 coin in @ $1/hand last week for a promotion, and was dead even at the end of it ($50 in, $50 out). Running the $100 free slot play from the promo through the exact same way netted me exactly +$100 out. I'm quite confident that I could have run another $750 coin in with no problems, but I only needed $250 for the promo, and I had other places to be.

Without splits and doubles, it's a loser, instead of a hold-even, even with the 6 card win rule enabled.

Electronic roulette is great for running up slot points, so long as zero doesn't hit. If you want to do a predictable loss rate, $18red, $18black, $1zero ($.50 if even bets lose only half) (or $2split 0/00 for a double-zero wheel). $37, $36.50 or $38 coin in per round, always yields $36 coin out per round. Ridiculously boring, however - it's more interesting to go and backcount the buffet.

There's always enough people playing the Keno machines that there's got to be something there, but I haven't figured out the angle. If there's wet paint to watch... that's more likely to hold my attention.

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I usually do OK on single deck video blackjack, so long as splits and doubles are allowed. Not an easy find, as far as I can tell.

The machines at the bar tend to be terrible. They know that you are slow-playing them for drinks so they don't care. The ones that share a machine with VP / Keno tend to also be terrible (not quite sure of the reasoning on that one)

However, there seem to be a lot of very good video blackjack machines, even at large strip casinos. They are usually the large multi-seat ones. At some casinos, that is the best game in the place, and, at many other casinos, its the best game outside of the high limit room. Not having to pay a dealer or a pit critter has its advantages, I guess.

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JoB is really not that low volatility. It is low for video poker, but still very high.

You have 2% of your return tied up in an 800-1 payout. That is not low volatility. Games where all bets pay even money are low volatility. Casino war. Pass line in craps (no odds). Even-money roulette bets. That is low volatility.

This is true however the amounts you have to bet are much higher to earn anything.

Quote: AxelWolf

This is true however the amounts you have to bet are much higher to earn anything.

Actually a lot of machines give you the same credits for coin-in as VP machines do.

I know a machine where you can play blackjack for $5 min, $1000 max, and get the same slot points as you would from the same coin-in at VP. And, extra money from doubles and splits count as coin-in! And the rules aren't bad, either.

The problem is that it is slow as balls and due to the way that the hand-pays work (bet amount is included) a $480 blackjack is a hand-pay, as is a $300 bet doubled down and won (or a $300 bet, split, won both). So if you are betting $300 or more it is even slower. In the end I don't think that you can earn points faster (time-wise) than $5 denom video poker (or 5c 100-play, if you prefer).

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Actually a lot of machines give you the same credits for coin-in as VP machines do.

I know a machine where you can play blackjack for $5 min, $1000 max, and get the same slot points as you would from the same coin-in at VP. And, extra money from doubles and splits count as coin-in! And the rules aren't bad, either.

The problem is that it is slow as balls and due to the way that the hand-pays work (bet amount is included) a $480 blackjack is a hand-pay, as is a $300 bet doubled down and won (or a $300 bet, split, won both). So if you are betting $300 or more it is even slower. In the end I don't think that you can earn points faster (time-wise) than $5 denom video poker (or 5c 100-play, if you prefer).

You know dam well I know that. It was obvious I was referring to table games.

1% on a table game you must make big bets to make it worth doing. A machine is a different story because of speed as you pointed out.

Quote: AxelWolf

You know dam well I know that.

Do you? This isn't the one we played. It has better rules than that one (and higher maximums, too)

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It was obvious I was referring to table games.

This thread is all about earning slot points. Obviously table games are totally different.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Do you? This isn't the one we played. It has better rules than that one (and higher maximums, too)



This thread is all about earning slot points. Obviously table games are totally different.

I was talking in general about BJ machines. Obviously is question cant be answered with the limited information he gave, some E TBL Machines don't even generate points.