P90
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July 10th, 2012 at 6:14:11 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

What's the bad beat qualifier? Is it relatively low? If so, maybe it hits so often that if it were merely a \$1 rake, then it wouldn't grow to high enough totals.

The lowest I've seen is FH beaten by quads.
It seems modest. After all, FH isn't that rare, and quads... everyone had some.

The problem is the added "both hole cards must be used by each hand" rule.
FH beaten by quads can happen a few ways:
AAABx+Bx,Ax
AAAxx+BB,Ax
AABBx+Ax,BB
AAABB+xx,Ax
AABxx+AA,BB

It's easy to figure out that the first three ways are by far the most common. I could get the exact maths, but it's enough to understand that the more "x"-s (standing for any card), the easier, and that any confrontation between two pocket pairs is a lot more likely to end preflop than Ax vs Bx. But only the last way of getting FH v Q is eligible for BBJ.
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buzzpaff
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July 10th, 2012 at 6:18:09 PM permalink
Wizard of odds has a chart but it's like you know decimals. I want to know how many hands before quads are beat and both cards play.
Then I know not in my lifetime.
P90
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July 10th, 2012 at 6:48:26 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Wizard of odds has a chart but it's like you know decimals. I want to know how many hands before quads are beat and both cards play.

Right, but it's somewhat more complex because you need simultaneous odds, the board is shared.

But it's not just both cards. It's all four.
And even then, if it's J9AAA+88 vs AK, or KKKT8+TT vs KQ, despite both hole cards playing, your situation will be declared ineligible. Sod off berk.
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24Bingo
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July 10th, 2012 at 7:34:37 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Wizard of odds has a chart but it's like you know decimals. I want to know how many hands before quads are beat and both cards play.
Then I know not in my lifetime.

"^-1." It's not hard, poker wiz.

So for aces full, about 22,000 hands (6,000 if the kicker can be in the hole and the full house be made with board aces); any quads, about 92,000 (62 if the kicker can be in the hole). For the rules I used to play, before I went somewhere with a looser progressive, 200,000 hands. When it hits, though, unlike Keno, the players get every red cent put in, so if you theoretically could play a couple million hands, it wouldn't matter at all. So it's a gamble in terms of variance, but the mean is beaten by only a very few bets - but for a proud maniac who goes around bashing tight play, high variance is a hell of a thing to complain about.
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buzzpaff
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July 10th, 2012 at 7:39:29 PM permalink
I would gladly give a signed declaration if only the casinos would let me out of the Bad Beat Jackpot. If I win the pot, just give me that \$2 instead of dropping into that slot. Only the players at that table get the money. If I bet \$2 over and over on keno or slots or whatever, I get to keep my winnings.
Mission146
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July 10th, 2012 at 7:53:58 PM permalink
If I were so inclined to play Keno to begin with, I would certainly rather put \$2.00 on eight numbers at \$0.25 a pop into a Keno Machine rather than put my \$2.00 into the Bad Beat Jackpot. I feel this way because if I am to play Keno, VP, Slots, Craps or Roulette (and also Let It Ride and Blackjack, for the most part) I am hoping that Lady Variance smiles warmly upon me and I have a decent run. If I am going to sit down and play poker, a demonstration of skill, wit (and especially) patience, then I don't want to shell out \$2.00 on something having only to do with luck (right place, right time) because that is not why I am at the poker table!
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buzzpaff
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July 10th, 2012 at 8:28:12 PM permalink
Plus is removed money from the fish I am hoping to clean !
buzzpaff
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July 10th, 2012 at 8:30:33 PM permalink
Perhaps BJ players would like a mandatory side bet on an 9 card seventeen in a double deck game ??
Mission146
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July 10th, 2012 at 8:41:35 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Perhaps BJ players would like a mandatory side bet on an 9 card seventeen in a double deck game ??

We'll set that at a 5% SB Rake for every win. 10% on a Natural.
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