kubikulann
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July 17th, 2019 at 8:09:12 AM permalink
PLEASE make a new thread if you want to react on the Gun question. Or I’m sure it already exists somewhere.
I have no intent of hijacking the ZK thread. Rather, to kill it as unnecessary...

For the least encephalically endowed:
« Gun ownership is good/bad » —> other thread
« Gun ownership (good or bad or neither) is a cause of Americans’ worrying about an innocuous post »—> this thread
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michael99000
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July 17th, 2019 at 8:12:19 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

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Michael9900, if you are truly alarmed and feel threatened then pick up the damn phone and fulfill your obligations as a citizen. Call the FBI or 911 and report it, and stop pointing fingers and asking others to do do it. Don't use the excuse that you don't know ZK's real name, because law enforcement can approach the forum and get his real name.

You and others on this thread are treating this like a game, trying to bait the administrators into doing something that you personally should be doing. They have no more responsibility to report an alarming threat (If that is what you view this as being) then you do.

Personally, I am not alarmed by what ZK said and I do not consider it to be a threat. The administrators may or may not be alarmed by what ZK said. If you, Michael9900 are alarmed and feel threatened, then stop posting and arguing and exclaiming; Act like an adult and report it to law enforcement.

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If you insist on making everything black and white, then you will never see the shades of gray.

There is a 100% difference between public statements and private statements. I mentioned a hypothetical private conversation with an FBI agent. You responded by asking me for a publicly posted website.

If an individual makes a statement that alarms you, you report it - your call will be logged and their name will go into a database and be electronically checked against known members of known terrorist organizations -which, IMO, does not make the decision on reporting ZK a "very important decision" because nothing will happen except some electrons will move around. If the person making the statement is known to you and your colleagues, I suggest you intervene and get them into counseling, where a professional can make decisions and manage the case.
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I think this thread should be closed. This is a sensitive discussion about a real person, and imo, some participants on this thread are "making mischief." The administrators should make a decision and not publicly discuss it. Every other person can also make their own personal decisions and do whatever they think they should.



Where in the post of mine that you quoted did I ask anyone else to do anything ? I didn’t. But since I didn’t construct my post in bold lettering , perhaps it was difficult to read.

I was simply asking a general question. You seem to know exactly what the FBI would do or not do, you know what they want to be told of or not be told of , you also told us what they’d suggest we do. So with you being an expert on FBI reaction to mass shooting threats on Internet forums , I knew you were the one to ask my question to. This was a general question about when it’s proper to shrug these things off vs when to report. And since you know exactly what the FBI wants to see, I thought you might also know if the guidelines are published for when to ignore threats.

Like many have stated prior in this thread , we were under the assumption of “if you see something , say something”. If that has since changed to .. “if you see something , first make sure it’s not just a harmless disgruntled person venting”.. then I’m on board with that.
Last edited by: michael99000 on Jul 17, 2019
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July 17th, 2019 at 8:41:57 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Me waiting for Face’s response:



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PokerGrinder
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July 17th, 2019 at 8:55:17 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

À message to our American friends.

Here in Europe, this kind of discussion is totally irrelevant.
ZenKing’s post would be taken with a shrug. Everyone would know it is just steaming off and the risk is nil.

Why?
Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
You shout out your fears here, because USA expériences regular and frequent dramas of gun owners shooting up people for whatever bad reason they have.
In Canada, in Europe, in Asia, etc. when it ever happens it is once in a decade and creates shock at « How is it possible that this guy owned a gun? »

So:
The answer to your problem is not « shouls we signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « should we ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».


On a board where probably 90% of the members are American I am one of the few people who will agree with you I think.

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July 17th, 2019 at 9:27:28 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

On a board where probably 90% of the members are American I am one of the few people who will agree with you I think.

P.S I’m Canadian



I am going to post that I agree with you. Partly because I do and partly because I think gun debates turn fun. Got my popcorn out already. Although I can't eat it because of my diet.
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July 17th, 2019 at 10:02:18 AM permalink
I’m literally sitting in a popcorn store right now! Hehe
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July 17th, 2019 at 11:17:41 AM permalink
Quote: Face

I really don't believe people were actually worried ZK was going to do anything, they just don't like ZK.
As gordonm888 intelligently put..... " This is a sensitive discussion about a real person, and imo, some participants on this thread are "making mischief." No doubt ZK is a dumb ass when it comes to certain things.

People are all worried about ZK, meanwhile, I have read some of your posts....And let me tell ya, If I had to pick someone who might go postal....

Please don't take offence to that. I know what you and others are probably thinking, how can one not take offence to that? Well, all my reason would actuality be compliments, things I don't think I could articulate well enough though witting, so I won't try.

AND LET MAKE IT CLEAR, NO YOU DON'T CONCERN ME! I'm just saying, IF I had to pick someone.
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July 17th, 2019 at 11:28:42 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

À message to our American friends.

Here in Europe, this kind of discussion is totally irrelevant.
ZenKing’s post would be taken with a shrug. Everyone would know it is just steaming off and the risk is nil.

Why?
Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
You shout out your fears here, because USA expériences regular and frequent dramas of gun owners shooting up people for whatever bad reason they have.
In Canada, in Europe, in Asia, etc. when it ever happens it is once in a decade and creates shock at « How is it possible that this guy owned a gun? »

So:
The answer to your problem is not « shouls we signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « should we ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».



“civilized”


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July 17th, 2019 at 11:57:13 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

People are all worried about ZK, meanwhile, I have read some of your posts....And let me tell ya, If I had to pick someone who might go postal....

Please don't take offence to that. I know what you and others are probably thinking, how can one not take offence to that? Well, all my reason would actuality be compliments, things I don't think I could articulate well enough though witting, so I won't try.

AND LET MAKE IT CLEAR, NO YOU DON'T CONCERN ME! I'm just saying, IF I had to pick someone.



No offense whatsoever. I know what I look and sound like lol. I was just trying to share the fact you can be emotionally unhinged and riot on paper but still be locked in a logical state where you're a threat to no one, as that describes my entire adult life.

Just giving a different perspective and explaining why I didn't do something some felt strongly about.
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July 17th, 2019 at 12:05:17 PM permalink
Quote: Face

you can be emotionally unhinged and riot on paper but still be locked in a logical state where you're a threat to no one,



So wait until that person actually
kills someone so you can say, oops,
I guess I should have done something.
Makes sense to me..
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