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March 21st, 2014 at 9:51:18 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

It is not symmetric, not in the least. We do not agree on that.


It seems appropriate that your post #666 was anti-religion :)
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March 21st, 2014 at 9:55:52 AM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

It seems appropriate that your post #666 was anti-religion :)

I am of Jewish heritage, ergo I have horns. Atheism does not begin to describe how I view religion. Perhaps a good start is this:

http://www.npr.org/2005/11/21/5015557/there-is-no-god

Which begins, "I believe that there is no God. I'm beyond atheism. Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God is easy ... " -- Penn Gillette
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March 21st, 2014 at 9:58:45 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Atheism does not begin to describe how I view religion.


Much respect :)
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March 21st, 2014 at 9:59:45 AM permalink
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Thanks Babs, you are correct in so many ways as usual. I did not mean you exaggerate at all it is just that from the history I have read about the crusades, inquisition, etc. there is much myth and exaggeration that often are allowed to stand as history. I also confess that recently there has been a lot of difficult things at the parish and maybe I am using the forums to vent a little bit. We have a funeral in a few hours for a courageous young man who died recently, can I ask for your prayers for him and his family.

Anyway back to the pedagogy of God throughout the Holy Bible. I believe when read as a whole you do not see a change in God rather a good teacher who takes a violent world and slowly brings them along towards loving their neighbors. You can't have a teacher in kindergarten teaching calculus. You have to begin with the basics and build on it. God is slowly but surely teaching humanity important lessons so that they will be ready for the message of Jesus Christ. A message that admittedly His followers in the Church have still struggled with throughout history up to today.



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March 21st, 2014 at 10:17:00 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

God is slowly but surely teaching humanity important lessons so that they will be ready for the message of Jesus Christ. .

Why so slow? He created the heavens and earth in 6 days. So now why is it taking him thousands of years to teach us everything( sounds like he is building an army). He needs a good manager.

Its so slow, its going in reverse. Every day more and more people are fading away from believing. If Jesus does not return soon, in a few hundred years science will be so advanced, very few of us will believe in god, just like most of us don't believe in mythology now. After long enough, if we have not destroyed ourselves (most likely outcome) we will probably be debating whether or not "AI" robots should be able to vote or if they deserve human rights.
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March 21st, 2014 at 10:38:14 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Perhaps a good start is this:

http://www.npr.org/2005/11/21/5015557/there-is-no-god

Which begins, "I believe that there is no God. I'm beyond atheism. Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God is easy ... " -- Penn Gillette


Honestly, I don't see how that's helpful, but I'm just a plain, ordinary non-believer. Maybe I need to spend more time navel-gazing.
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March 21st, 2014 at 10:41:37 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

One. Chrstianity.


Other than that, I'm not aware that any other religion, like Bhudism, Shintoism, any of the modern pagan sects, Hinduism, etc. even acknowledge a single god, much less the Biblical god, much less Jesus.

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This is actually wrong there are many monotheistic religions around today like Zoroastrianism, admittedly very small. Sikhism is also monotheistic. Hell even certain sects of Hinduism are monotheistic, though arguably perhaps better to describe those sects as pantheists but it is incredibly complex and the notion of parabrahman is arguably monotheistic.

Other things are right though Jesus technically has a special place in Islam he isn't divine but for instance he will come back to earth before the time of judgement to defeat the false prophet. He is also the result of a virginal birth islams view is somewhat similar to Christianity with the one significant difference being Jesus is not divine he was simply empowered by the divine to perform miracles.
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March 21st, 2014 at 12:35:01 PM permalink
When people throughout history claimed to be christian and then did terrible things they were not following what the bible says they ought to do. That is a huge distinction from saying Gods word prescribes such actions.
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March 21st, 2014 at 1:03:29 PM permalink
Quote: pew

When people throughout history claimed to be christian and then did terrible things they were not following what the bible says they ought to do.



Except such things involved all levels of ecelsiastical authorities. So when a pope calls for a crusade, which is it? Is he infallible or not a Christian?
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March 21st, 2014 at 5:05:07 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Except such things involved all levels of ecelsiastical authorities. So when a pope calls for a crusade, which is it? Is he infallible or not a Christian?

Being pope, priest, pastor, or congregant, doesn't mean one is a christian. Going to church doesn't make one a christian although many people that attend church are christian. Equating Roman Catholicism to Christianity is an incorrect view. We have to go back to that religion nonsense to go any further into it.

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