s2dbaker
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February 13th, 2014 at 8:13:39 PM permalink
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You do realize that the Old Testament wasn't written in modern English, correct? Ancient Hebrew had a total vocabulary of about 5,000 words, compared to up to a million for modern English.

The ancient Hebrew word translated earth "erets" is the same word they used for a piece of land.

The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground." We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets.

The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Havilah, where there is gold. (Genesis 2:11)
And the name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Cush. (Genesis 2:13)

Obviously, the description of kol erets is modified by the name of the land, indicating a local area from the context. In fact, the term kol erets is nearly always used in the Old Testament to describe a local area of land, instead of our entire planet.

Any other questions?

Yes, Why did God lie in Genesis 6:7 when he said
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So the Lord said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them."

and what else did He lie about?
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festerZit
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February 14th, 2014 at 7:03:02 AM permalink
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Quote: festerZit

You do realize that the Old Testament wasn't written in modern English, correct? Ancient Hebrew had a total vocabulary of about 5,000 words, compared to up to a million for modern English.

The ancient Hebrew word translated earth "erets" is the same word they used for a piece of land.

The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground." We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets.

The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Havilah, where there is gold. (Genesis 2:11)
And the name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Cush. (Genesis 2:13)

Obviously, the description of kol erets is modified by the name of the land, indicating a local area from the context. In fact, the term kol erets is nearly always used in the Old Testament to describe a local area of land, instead of our entire planet.

Any other questions?

Yes, Why did God lie in Genesis 6:7 when he saidand what else did He lie about?



Sigh, apparently you can't read and comprehend 2nd grade level English....
s2dbaker
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February 14th, 2014 at 10:49:58 AM permalink
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Quote: festerZit

You do realize that the Old Testament wasn't written in modern English, correct? Ancient Hebrew had a total vocabulary of about 5,000 words, compared to up to a million for modern English.

The ancient Hebrew word translated earth "erets" is the same word they used for a piece of land.

The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground." We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets.

The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Havilah, where there is gold. (Genesis 2:11)
And the name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Cush. (Genesis 2:13)

Obviously, the description of kol erets is modified by the name of the land, indicating a local area from the context. In fact, the term kol erets is nearly always used in the Old Testament to describe a local area of land, instead of our entire planet.

Any other questions?

Yes, Why did God lie in Genesis 6:7 when he saidand what else did He lie about?



Sigh, apparently you can't read and comprehend 2nd grade level English....

I have no issues comprehending English. Please re-ead Genesis 6 and then tell me how in any context that the flood described therein could be localized and still acheive the goals set forth in verse 7.
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March 13th, 2014 at 11:00:12 PM permalink
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The film, which is thought to have cost more than its $125m (£78m) to make, received negative reactions following test screenings across the US.

The movie also prompted controversy among conservative Christians, leading Paramount to add a disclaimer to marketing material that artistic licence had been taken with the retelling of the story.

That new Noah movie is going to bomb.
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March 15th, 2014 at 12:44:22 PM permalink
Yep, its going to be about as popular as that particular story is in the Bible.
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March 15th, 2014 at 7:22:03 PM permalink
I watched that debate and thought Bill Nye the science guy should have touched further on the subject of the cosmos and speed of light proof. How can we see the light from galaxies billions of light years away from us if the universe is only 6000 yrs. old. This does not add up mathematically unless you can jockey around the speed of light to travel a lot more than 186,000 miles per second. Bill Nye pinged on the topic of Kentucky schools as he peered out over an audience of mostly Kentuckians (many of whom probably helped Ken Hamm design which kind of saddle goes on a Triceratops versus the saddle you'd use on a Brontosaurus), mentioning more than once the impact of religion holding back human development and advancement technologically, since the debate was being held right there at the Ken Hamm sideshow freakshow exhibit thing praise a bunch'o'Jesus worth every penny of the admission fee!

Did Bill Nye stay off being too technical figuring that a bunch mostly local loyal to Ken Hamm's freakshow attending the debate right there at the Ken Hamm freakshow would not understand the basics of physics? I think he should have emphasized the speed of light proof that the universe is not 6000 years old. I enjoyed the debate but felt that Bill Nye held back on really blasting him and was too polite... I would have asked him about what Jesus and pals did as far as saddles for their dinosaurs, you know, questions about some of those displays!Hahahaha Bill Nye still clearly won the debate and when you ask these people a technical question they can't answer they start quoting bible verses!

Here's the difference between religion and science, as is easily seen from a little study of the contrast between these two individuals... Science is based on looking at the physical evidence and all known data to come up with conclusive proof, whereas religion tries to come up with the physical evidence based on their conclusive proof, the reverse! Anyway, the flood--- Let's talk big general blow it right out of the water proof like with the speed of light thing in simple terms that even if you are from the Ken Hamm school of thought you can grasp--- WHERE DID ALL THAT F**KING WATER GO??? Enough water to flood the entire planet, where did it come from? Melt down every bit of frozen ice on the planet and you still don't have enough water to flood the entire planet (Although it would be a bad time to try and vacation in the Maldives or even NYC for that matter) but that much water didn't exist on the planet! Where did it all come from? Where did it all go after the flood if it came from somewhere? Was this a matter of this supreme being deciding to break Noah's balls and check his skills on being able to round up a male and female platypus and then make him place them back in their original geographical region and whoever missed the boat (loved that cartoon) was in trouble. That's why we don't have Tyrannosaurus Rex running around in Yellowstone Park today... Noah forgot them!

Even if Noah somehow built a vessel of this size and somehow managed to drop off specific species all over the world somehow for them to flourish after the flood... can you imagine the time and trouble to travel the world and drop off various species after the flood so they end up the way they are today??? Because that's what he must have done! This is what the forensic evidence supports anyway... That's why a bison is in the US but not in Portugal! Why a diamondback rattlesnake is in Arizona but not in Norway! It has to do with how Noah dropped everyone off after the flood! Okay, so even if he pulled all that off, where did all that water go to after the flood?? Some things don't add up on this worldwide flood thing and the people that dreamed this all up knew that the earth was flat also, so listening to everything they say wholeheartedly might be questionable. "Have faith I tell you!" Well, you go with magical fairies and mythological stories if you want but I will go with physical forensic evidence, physics and scientific method, leaving me open in trying to understand the truth.
FrGamble
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March 16th, 2014 at 6:06:39 AM permalink
Quote: Tarzan



Here's the difference between religion and science, as is easily seen from a little study of the contrast between these two individuals... Science is based on looking at the physical evidence and all known data to come up with conclusive proof, whereas religion tries to come up with the physical evidence based on their conclusive proof, the reverse!



What you are describing is not religion but rather how religion does science - which it should not do (as evidenced by that debate). You have to remember though that as ridiculous as religion looks trying to do science, science looks even more ridiculous trying to do religion.
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March 16th, 2014 at 6:43:21 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

What you are describing is not religion but rather how religion does science - which it should not do (as evidenced by that debate). You have to remember though that as ridiculous as religion looks trying to do science, science looks even more ridiculous trying to do religion.



Of course something rational attempting to explain irrational looks ridiculous.
FrGamble
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March 16th, 2014 at 8:23:11 AM permalink
It's more like a 'what' trying to explain a 'why' that makes it look ridiculous.
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March 17th, 2014 at 1:55:43 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

It's more like a 'what' trying to explain a 'why' that makes it look ridiculous.

I doubt you will have the answer to this but ill ask anyways.

I assume people who believe in god believe he is all knowing all powerful and can ANYTHING. God does Miracle all the time according to religion. He created the heavens, earth and man, for God sakes.

He must have known civilization would advance you think he would have directed man to make the bible less ambiguous, so not to create so much confusion. Any idea why he can just change the bible( we wouldn't even know) and clear some things up for us?

Why did he stop doing so many incredibly obvious miracles?
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