Tiltpoul
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May 18th, 2012 at 7:03:05 PM permalink
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Just for fun, I logged into TR. For the period from 6/19 to 6/22, Horseshoe will let me book the Ritz for $335 TOTAL. www.ritzcarlton.com is $445 EACH NIGHT. There's a little subsidization for you...



Well I do live in Ohio, so it could be a day trip for me. However, if it's a day trip, I'm less likely to gamble later into the evening. I suppose it's an enticement to get me to go up there more often... and maybe I will. Who knows??
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May 18th, 2012 at 7:21:18 PM permalink
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So I got an offer yesterday evening from Horseshoe Cleveland, inviting me for a free two night stay Sunday-Thursday this coming week. I don't have two days off, but I'm only 2 hours away, so I'm going up Sunday, and staying at the Ritz-Carlton. I'm sure table mins will be way out of my league, so I'll probably wait a couple hours to get on a limit poker table (NL action will be ridiculous).

That is a very generous offer. Dan Gilbert (Rock Gaming, et al.) owns the Ritz Carlton as well as the casino, which is probably how he can offer it for free. If I recall, you are Diamond but not a huge roller, and the Ritz is SUPER nice, so that's a good deal. If I was still Diamond, I wonder if they would have offered it to me.

Be sure to check out the Diamond Lounge, it is supposedly in the old women's dressing room of the department store or something.

Of course we expect a full report :)
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May 18th, 2012 at 7:38:30 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
JohnnyQ
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May 20th, 2012 at 3:15:23 PM permalink
I went up with the Mrs early Sunday morning to check it out.

And, we thought it was very very AVERAGE, and we were
UNDERWHELMED considering all the local hype.

I guess it is ok for a temporary facility. But the outside of the
building is downright plain ( it is an old downtown department
store).

I think they need one of those large screen type building
billboards. Nothing tacky, but enough that you know without
a doubt that it is a casino.

And before anyone starts about sign ordinances, first of all,
it's Cleveland of all places. And secondly, there are a
number of those type of signs already in Cleveland.

We were a bit amused that the brand new parking
garage they built is NOT connected to the casino by
an enclosed pedestrian bridge. So you park and then
walk down to the city streets and cross an intersection.
OK, but not what we expected.

GOOD STUFF:

The state of Ohio is non-smoking inside public
buildings, including the Horseshoe Casino.

Nice high ceilings on the main floor.

I think we can use our TR comp credits
there. So we no longer have a potential
issue of expiring comp $.

NOT SO GOOD:

High breakfast buffet price on Sundays. It was
$ 21.99 I think, we didn't eat there.

Cramped lay-out on the main floor.

Low ceilings on the 2nd floor.

It's in downtown Cleveland.

All in all, the
RIVERS casino on the "North Shore" side
of Pittsburgh is much nicer
as far as the design, riverfront area,
nearby science center, newness feel,
etc.

VP:

There was lots of 8/6 Jacks or Better, which WOO says
is 98.6 %.

There was also 20/12/10/4/4/3/2/1 Dueces Wild at
the 25 cent level at 97.58 %

Blackjack:

A few $ 15 tables early this morning, but mostly
$ 25 and a few $ 50. A dealer told me you can
DAS, No Surrender, No resplitting Aces, and Dealer
Hits Soft 17 out on the floor but he said the High
Limit area is Stand on Soft 17.
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EvenBob
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May 20th, 2012 at 4:08:06 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I went up with the Mrs early Sunday morning to check it out.

And, we thought it was very very AVERAGE, and we were
UNDERWHELMED.



Sounds like a typical old style dept store building.
Cavernous main floor, all the floors above it have
low ceilings. That was the way they built things
in the 40's, banks were the same way.

Thanks for using the compact writing style.
I read your post in no time, much easier than
when its sprawled across the whole page.
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Tiltpoul
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May 20th, 2012 at 4:52:58 PM permalink
It seems as though JohnnyQ and I were at Horseshoe around the same time.

First, I got up to Cleveland around 9am, and my GPS said I was only a minute away from the casino when I got off the interstate. That MIGHT have been true, except there was a fantastic marathon for some worthy cause (I'm sure) that diverted the traffic every which way. This made a 1 minute journey into a 40 minute trek to the parking lot. Needless to say, I'm glad I went to the bathroom first, and it left me quite frustrated.

Anyways, I finally found the notorious parking deck JohnnyQ is referring to. It is a very strange place for it, and if you didn't know any better, you might assume the casino is in the very small building that houses the valet parking. Right now, Valet is open only to Diamonds and Seven Stars, and now I wish I would have used it.

The casino at 10am was buzzing more than any casino I've EVER been to on a Sunday morning. I would argue the traffic was similar to Friday night traffic, but it MIGHT have been busier. Luckily, ROC Gaming accounted for this and nearly every table was open. The advertising says 65 tables, and that probably right. There are three pits downstairs, mostly Roulette, BJ and Craps, with all the carnival poker games, including TCP, MS Stud, UTH, LIR and Four Card. Table mins were usually $15 for poker, $25 for BJ, though TCP and one UTH table had $10 mins.

I decided to play some UTH, in hopes of getting my $1 chip. I prefer this game at $5, so I can do the 4x raises without worry, but I have played it at $10 many times. This was NOT one of those times that I should have... The dealer COULD NOT MISS. Plus, they don't allow you to surrender the main hand if your bonus hand is 3 of a kind, which is a very bad rule. I twice lost against a dealer full house with trips on the board. In minutes, I was down about $300, and decided this wasn't my day for UTH.

I went upstairs and checked out the other table games. There were a couple $15 BJ tables upstairs, and this seemed much more reasonable. JohnnyQ seemed to get the rules right. They also have two Midi-Bacc tables and two PGP tables. I walked by and somebody had just hit Five Aces, for a $2000 payout, while everybody else won $250. Another time I walked by on the other table the dealer just had a straight flush. I guess this is the time to be playing that bonus!

If you have a Total Rewards card, bring it. The lines to get cards are generally very long, and your old TR card will work here. You CAN use your comps at the buffet, though I'm not sure about the restaurants. Speaking of which, apparently all the restaurants are closed by midnight, so be sure to get your food before then. As of now, there's no cafe anywhere on the property.

The VP selection isn't terrible, at least for a Horseshoe. I played some 8/6 JoB at .25, next to me there was a couple switching between various Deuces Wild games. The conversation between them was almost too funny. I had to restrain myself from commenting a couple times. Anyways, I actually did pretty well on VP, earning about 100 credits and winning $50. I had to get some play in, both to validate my parking and to justify my stay at the Ritz-Carlton.

Before going to the Poker Room, I decided to find the Ritz. It's in the Town City Center, which is kind of a mall and mixed development area. It's really offsetting to have a mall attached to a casino (and not be in Vegas). Furthermore, you're very near the stadiums, so you get the sports traffic coming through. The Ritz is on the third floor, which is actually street level. I checked at noon, and my room was not available, so they took my number and would call me when my room was ready. There is a deposit required, $100 credit card per day, FYI. This wasn't on the website, but is to be expected in a nice hotel.

I went back to the casino, and went up to the poker room. They use the Bravo check-in system, and can page you when your seat is ready. I decided to play 3-6 limit, since my bankroll for this trip was somewhat limited. The room is pretty well laid out and very big, though not big enough. The cashier line took FOREVER, but they were trying their best. The crew is new (6 days on the job) so it's expected to be a bit slow.

Games are raked 10% to $6 max + $1 Bad Beat Jackpot. This makes it one of the highest rakes around, mirroring Detroit's rakes. I think this is highway robbery. As much as I respect Horseshoe as a brand and generally like their poker rooms, having such a high rake just fleeces the lower limit games faster. I'm pretty sure after 5 hours of play, nobody left up a lot.

The Diamond Lounge is next door to the Poker Room. It is very pretty, all white and nice furnishings. Unfortunately, there is no food service yet, though eventually there will be some. VIP services is near this area as well. The bathrooms here (and throughout the casino) are well-appointed.

After playing poker, I went to the Ritz-Carlton, but had to get my bag from my car. As I left the casino, there was a line to get in... and it was LONG. I imagine people at the end probably have to wait at least an hour to get in. As a Diamond player, I should be able to come and go as I please, but man, this is RIDICULOUS! I checked in to my room about an hour or two ago and that's where I'm typing this. The room is VERY well appointed, though no jacuzzi tub. Still, it's a very nice room, and if you can get here, I highly recommend it.

OVERALL

Give this casino some time. Right now, it's just too chaotic for the area. I foresee it becoming more like the Detroit casinos; higher minimums, but some good games. There NEEDS to be more restaurant choices, and more 24-hour options. The poker rake needs to go down to $5. I will probably not come back for a long time, but I'm sure I won't be able to stay away for too long.
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JohnnyQ
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May 20th, 2012 at 6:07:50 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

It seems as though JohnnyQ and I were at Horseshoe around the same time.

First, I got up to Cleveland around 9am, and my GPS said I was only a minute away from the casino when I got off the interstate. That MIGHT have been true, except there was a fantastic marathon for some worthy cause (I'm sure) that diverted the traffic every which way. This made a 1 minute journey into a 40 minute trek to the parking lot.


Yup, pretty close, I think we got there around 8:30 am and left
around 10:00 am. I didn't see a line to get in when we left.

I had studied the map on their website, so when we found the
road to the parking garage closed due to the Marathon (there
should have been some way to keep the main streets open to
a brand new casino, I would have thought), we were able to
go around the block and find (barely) the entrance to the
parking garage.

Word to the Wise: If anyone drives up, there were a number
of Hwy Patrol and Locals out with Radar on I-77.


Quote: Tiltpoul


The casino at 10am was buzzing more than any casino I've EVER been to on a Sunday morning. I would argue the traffic was similar to Friday night traffic, but it MIGHT have been busier. Luckily, ROC Gaming accounted for this and nearly every table was open.


I think the Indians had a game at 1:00, so that could explain a lot of it.


Quote: Tiltpoul

If you have a Total Rewards card, bring it. The lines to get cards are generally very long, and your old TR card will work here. You CAN use your comps at the buffet, though I'm not sure about the restaurants.


Good point, I forgot to mention that. There were about 50 people in line at the Player's Club when
we got there, but I had brought my regular card. There were 6 people working at the booth, I think,
and a couple of staff with handheld devices. I'm not sure if those were to print out cards.


Quote: Tiltpoul

I played some 8/6 JoB at .25, next to me there was a couple switching between various Deuces Wild games. The conversation between them was almost too funny. I had to restrain myself from commenting a couple times.


Hey so you did see us ! Just kidding.

Quote: Tiltpoul

I actually did pretty well on VP, earning about 100 credits and winning $50. I had to get some play in, both to validate my parking and to justify my stay at the Ritz-Carlton.


I ended up down $ 20 on my machine. As far as the RITZ is concerned, what a great offer !
I'm afraid I'm too low of a roller to ever see a decent offer for the RITZ.

GOOD LUCK TOMORROW !
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JohnnyQ
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May 20th, 2012 at 6:11:02 PM permalink
Maybe I'll need to change my sign-off line to:

Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in CLEVELAND With a handle in your hand
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Tiltpoul
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May 20th, 2012 at 9:00:51 PM permalink
Okay, I just got back from Horseshoe and a second and much less profitable session. I'm happy to report that all the table mins basically stayed the same or may have even gone down a bit. I commend them for offering relatively lower minimums, regardless of the traffic or time.

I also got to see the property outside at night. It's pretty, well, it's amazing to think there is a casino where it is. It's relatively safe, as there are cops outside and a lot of nice businesses in the area. I think there's a lot here that will be great.

HOWEVER, when I went in to play, I decided to go up to .50 VP. Big mistake! Had a bad run... then when I ordered a Ginger Ale, it took over 40 minutes to get to me. I was going to tip a dollar, but I'm sorry, that's inexcusable, especially when two or three waitresses walked by a few times. It really left a bad taste in my mouth, despite the fact that the Ginger Ale tasted pretty good.
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May 21st, 2012 at 6:10:38 AM permalink
Stopped in briefly yesterday and my original total rewards card worked this time so I geuss you do not need to register or get a new one if you already have one. As previously stated on my first trip it did not work.

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