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March 27th, 2014 at 9:10:30 AM permalink
Quote: Tomspur

I was there once in a drunken haze in 2004 I believe but only on the bar/restaurant/hhipster side. I never even saw the inside of the place.

It sounds pretty grim though or am I just imagining Flea stumbling through the place with cigar smoke, unfriendly dealers, bad games and the like?

Perhaps spring break is the time to be at the beaches in Florida, not the casino? :)



Tomspur,

When you were there in 2004 it was a grim, smoky little grind joint. They made enough money to build an enormous modern facility. Now, I would say it is very comparable to the Venetian specifically in the casino and the hotel. I would rate the Borgata rooms slightly above both of those, and Harrah's somewhat below; another close comparison would be a good Hyatt Regency or high-rated business hotel. There are 500 rooms and suites, and even the basic room is very well appointed, with marble bathrooms, double vanities, upscale beds, in-room keurig coffee and minifridges, lots of plugs, in-room safe, good towels and bathrobes, etc. Housekeeping/laundry/valet/concierge/room service all available.

There are 2 huge parking garages, about 6 stories each, plus surrounding parking lots, landscaped around a small man-made lake. They are building another about 700 room hotel because they sell out most nights. There are 2 restaurants in the casino; a 24 hour coffee shop, and a Hard Rock Cafe, as well as a food court with several chain outlets, like in a mall or airport. There are about 20 attractions outside the casino in a sort of theme park area which includes performance stages, small theatres, other shops, several more restaurants. There is a golf course, a huge aquatic /swimming area I didn't get to visit but which is much more than just a typical hotel pool, tennis courts, etc. The old casino is apparently also still in operation nearby; I didn't get over there.

The casino is enormous, and laid out like a circular maze. There are 3 main casino table pits. The asian pit has about 6 Fortune PGP's, 8 bacc's, and about 8 BJ tables. The carnival pit has 3 UTH, 1 MS Stud, 1 Double Draw, 6 3CP, and about 6 BJ, 2 LIR, and they claim they have Caribbean on the website but I didn't see it. There was another pit I didn't make it to that was all BJ, including Switch (I was told) and probably some other BJ games. I did not visit the hi-limit pit, but there were 8-10 tables in there; I'm assuming BJ/bacc/paigow. There is the electronic craps/sic-bo for about 10 players. There are 2 electronic roulettes, one for 8 players, another for 12 or so. There is an electronic BJ for 8 (4 per side). And there are, I estimate, about 2000 slots with about 200 VP machines, plus a high limit slot room. There's a non-smoking section I haven't seen that has a few tables and slots (not sure what all is back there, but more of everything) plus a poker room.

It's become, according to the concierge, a destination resort with gambling, rather than a stand-alone casino, and is rapidly increasing its client base worldwide as well as within Florida. You would be shocked, I think, to see what they've done in 10 years.
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March 27th, 2014 at 9:13:55 AM permalink
B3, fess up: how much was your commission? :-)
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March 27th, 2014 at 9:14:35 AM permalink
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For a live craps table, you have to get on a boat and sail beyond the international border. The Victory Cruise ship out of Port Canaveral is best but the lesser boats are adequate in limits, odds and crew competence..



you going to try the breeze one out of west palm? or are you closer to victory?
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March 27th, 2014 at 9:14:53 AM permalink
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No, I was offer insurance over and over again but about a dozen times I should have taken it. I once had a twenty but declined insurance and lost. Pretty much all the time I declined insurance ... I should have taken it.



Well, that meant you constantly were facing dealer Ace. That's pretty much what you want to do to ensure a losing session [g]

It's a double whammy 'cuz the dealer is getting the Ace you might have gotten with a little luck.
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March 27th, 2014 at 10:00:44 AM permalink
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B3, fess up: how much was your commission? :-)



hahaha. I was pleasantly surprised at what an upscale facility it was. I had a mixed experience with it, mostly good.
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March 27th, 2014 at 10:07:23 AM permalink
Nice report, does sound surprisingly good.
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April 4th, 2014 at 10:51:10 AM permalink
Quote: bahdbwoy

you going to try the breeze one out of west palm? or are you closer to victory?


Its not really a question of geographical proximity, but more of preferences and options at destinations.

The Victory Casino is a gambling SHIP, all the others are more properly described as gambling BOATS.

I prefer the Victory Casino because it is huge, has everything available including a Las Vegas Sports Book while in International Waters, a Tax-Free Shop, and all the various games and slots and everything. Cocoa Beach also has so many other attractions and dozens of hotels that one can do a gambling cruise and still not burdened by an immediate drive back home. Although its possible to park your car near the ship, most gamblers use hotel shuttles to get from the ship to their hotel rooms and take time to sober up. get a breakfast and swim in and then check out.

The others are gambling boats often lucky to have one or two craps tables.

The histories of the boats are all interesting but illustrate the variability involved. Several years ago, the Big M Casino out of Fort Myers Beach got hit big time by a team of crossroaders: blockers, past-posters, cappers all performing their skills against a craps crew that was rather inexperienced. The very voyage, the boat sailed with a big empty space where the craps table used to be. The Moss family eventually realized that they had to re-institute craps so they did so on a limited basis of about forty percent of their voyages and got more qualified crew members. Now the Big M is back up to full strength and also very alert dice dealers, but its still a boat.

I never liked the unreliabiity of the Palm Beach Princess and so have not tried the Breeze despite once having received some sort of mailing. I've pretty much sworn off Palm Beach.
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April 4th, 2014 at 10:54:16 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Its not really a question of geographical proximity, but more of preferences and options at destinations.

The Victory Casino is a gambling SHIP, all the others are more properly described as gambling BOATS.

I prefer the Victory Casino because it is huge, has everything available including a Las Vegas Sports Book while in International Waters, a Tax-Free Shop, and all the various games and slots and everything. Cocoa Beach also has so many other attractions and dozens of hotels that one can do a gambling cruise and still not burdened by an immediate drive back home. Although its possible to park your car near the ship, most gamblers use hotel shuttles to get from the ship to their hotel rooms and take time to sober up. get a breakfast and swim in and then check out.

The others are gambling boats often lucky to have one or two craps tables.

The histories of the boats are all interesting but illustrate the variability involved. Several years ago, the Big M Casino out of Fort Myers Beach got hit big time by a team of crossroaders: blockers, past-posters, cappers all performing their skills against a craps crew that was rather inexperienced. The very voyage, the boat sailed with a big empty space where the craps table used to be. The Moss family eventually realized that they had to re-institute craps so they did so on a limited basis of about forty percent of their voyages and got more qualified crew members. Now the Big M is back up to full strength and also very alert dice dealers, but its still a boat.

I never liked the unreliabiity of the Palm Beach Princess and so have not tried the Breeze despite once having received some sort of mailing. I've pretty much sworn off Palm Beach.



Yeah, there's all kinds of stories, including various mob moves, a murder, embezzlement, bankruptcy, all sorts of fun and games. I'm talking about past incarnations, not anything operating now, but within the last 20 years, so pretty recent. It's still a fun ship (the Victory).
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April 4th, 2014 at 8:04:07 PM permalink
wow, the inside's changed since I was there in 2009 and it was all slots plus some sort of e-poker table I played a tournament on.

I will be there in a few weeks and see what the BJ and poker players are like.
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April 4th, 2014 at 10:35:27 PM permalink
They also have 3 UTH tables...since you're a fan. I think you'll like it.
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