tringlomane
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January 15th, 2014 at 3:06:21 PM permalink
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It has been a year since I have been in Biloxi, but I am quite sure Grand craps game is 10x odds, same as Beau Rivage.

You also get the Vig on win for the Buy 4,5,9,10. Since it is the same rules in Tunica, I am wondering if it is a MS gaming requirement about the vig?



Doubtful, it's not in the regulations. Casinos in MS are just generous I guess.

Quote: beachbumbabs

More Biloxi.

The VP is up a ramp, to the left. I saw ... FPDW... played.



I am assuming you are misusing the abbreviation here; otherwise, I really need to visit!! Games with >100% payout are illegal in MS. The best deuces game in Tunica until April 2013, RIP :'(, used to be APDW ("Almost Perfect Deuces Wild" = 99.96% max). The best deuces game the Grand supposedly has is "Airport Deuces" = 98.91% max. Great detail though; thanks for the report!!

http://www.msgamingcommission.com/images/uploads/mgc_regs.pdf
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January 15th, 2014 at 3:23:34 PM permalink
The Grand craps game is usually $5, and as noted, it only has the FireBet. Beau Rivage NEVER has a $5 game. They are either $10 or $25, never $15. When I asked, they said it was a hassle they didn't want to bother with.
I am sure I have posted here at some point about the Grand crap rules. Trying to search now.
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January 15th, 2014 at 4:05:05 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

the table was closed when I took a close look at it, and I'm not a knowledegable craps player.

MOST casinos indicate The Minimum Bet (for Line, Field), The Maximum Bet (Line, Field) and that table's odds factor by Text on the placards inside the slots on either side of the BoxMan. The COLOR of the sign is usually a quick way to check, if you don't care to focus on the text.

Its quite common for Table Minimums to change by time of day and whim of some suit somewhere. If the lowest denomination table is crowded, they may raise the denomination of a different table a bit earlier than usual.

Despite saying "Minimum Bet" of X dollars, it is still quite possible to make dozens of Center Bets at far less.

Even at a 15 table, I'll often put 15 as my line bet and put a 10 dollar chip in the Field. This below minimum bet gets their attention and I'll say "Dealers in the Field" or I'll point to the Dealer as I make the bet. Dealers will always let you make a below minimum bet for them.
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January 15th, 2014 at 4:46:25 PM permalink
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I am assuming you are misusing the abbreviation here; otherwise, I really need to visit!!


Here's the last time the Gulf Coast offered 100% video poker AFAIK. It's a survey from June 2005:

https://web.archive.org/web/20051024224248/http://videopokerreview.com/wheretoplay/land/ms/gulfcoast.htm

The only 100% games were at the Copa in Gulfport, which was involuntarily dismantled shortly thereafter.

I can't find any earlier links, but an inventory from around 2002 or 2003 would have shown 100% games available at multiple properties, mostly All American on Bally Game Maker machines.

Not sure about the river-region casinos, but I know Sheraton (now Roadhouse) in Tunica had All American many years ago.

Seems like a lot of the historically good games involved manufacturers other than IGT.
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January 15th, 2014 at 5:32:36 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Here's the last time the Gulf Coast offered 100% video poker AFAIK. It's a survey from June 2005:

https://web.archive.org/web/20051024224248/http://videopokerreview.com/wheretoplay/land/ms/gulfcoast.htm

The only 100% games were at the Copa in Gulfport, which was involuntarily dismantled shortly thereafter.

I can't find any earlier links, but an inventory from around 2002 or 2003 would have shown 100% games available at multiple properties, mostly All American on Bally Game Maker machines.

Not sure about the river-region casinos, but I know Sheraton (now Roadhouse) in Tunica had All American many years ago.

Seems like a lot of the historically good games involved manufacturers other than IGT.



Sad. Obviously the 100% max payout rule in Mississippi hasn't always been on the books there. Not like they would go over 100% now anyway... :( And that place had FPDW at the bar?? I'd be in heaven...lol Damn Katrina... :(

I have played "full-pay" All American before, but it was in Boonville, MO. Tough game for sure. They had that game until about 2007 or so. Full-pay pick 'em quarters was at Harrah's STL until 2003; I thought that was fun to play. But stuff outside of Vegas is somewhat slim now. :(
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January 15th, 2014 at 5:48:51 PM permalink
Quote: gpac1377

Minor nitpicks/updates:

The Isle of Capri has been acquired by and converted to Golden Nugget.

Island View is WEST of Biloxi, in Gulfport.

Treasure BAY is the casino with the loss rebate. It's a very good deal, I agree. Good suggestion.



Treasure Bay is where I had my only 9-high Pai Gow Poker hand. It was mid-morning on a weekday; the place was slow. I was the only player at the table, and I made the dealer set it house way.
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:06:17 PM permalink
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Sad. Obviously the 100% max payout rule in Mississippi hasn't always been on the books there.


Apparently it was on the books, but the loophole was that the percentages on a multi-game machine could be averaged. So what happened? Did the gaming commission change their interpretation, or did the casinos lose their willingness to offer good games? I don't know.

The driving force behind the good games at the Copa was slot director John Mott. He now works for CDC Consulting. As I recall, the quarter FPDW was progressive at the bar with good meter movement, only on alternate machines. By the time of the survey I linked, the casino had moved from a tiny cruise ship to a spacious barge, resulting in diminished game quality, such as eliminating the progressive from the FPDW.

You probably would have liked the Gulfport Grand next door. For years they had nickel All American with a 0.67% card. My memory may be playing tricks on me, but back then if a machine contained both video poker and slot games, it was commonly classified for slot club purposes as a slot. Today of course it's completely the opposite.
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:12:49 PM permalink
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Treasure Bay is where I had my only 9-high Pai Gow Poker hand. It was mid-morning on a weekday; the place was slow.


Treasure Bay is somewhat isolated, and the casino is stuffed awkwardly into the first two floors of the hotel, so I might expect that they would struggle to attract customers.
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January 15th, 2014 at 6:20:14 PM permalink
Not sure how they get measured, but the not so grands tables are not 16 footers.
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January 15th, 2014 at 7:08:21 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane





I am assuming you are misusing the abbreviation here; otherwise, I really need to visit!! Games with >100% payout are illegal in MS. The best deuces game in Tunica until April 2013, RIP :'(, used to be APDW ("Almost Perfect Deuces Wild" = 99.96% max). The best deuces game the Grand supposedly has is "Airport Deuces" = 98.91% max. Great detail though; thanks for the report!!

http://www.msgamingcommission.com/images/uploads/mgc_regs.pdf



I think you're wise to assume I'm misusing the abbreviation there. lol....I'm doing my best, but I'm just learning the VP stuff. It was deuces wild with a 10/4/4/2/2/1 paytable. Top prize was 4K/RF natural. 4 deuces was 2K. Wild royal & 5OAK not sure. 5 cent denom, Game King. Mom had that seat locked in.
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