odiousgambit
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January 15th, 2014 at 11:29:14 AM permalink
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I think the craps was 3-4-5x odds.



this is the only report I've seen on what odds might be offered around there. I kind of figured 3x4x5x since no one was complaining about 2x. Of course, I could have missed someone posting something.

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January 15th, 2014 at 11:53:09 AM permalink
Magnificent report so far, thanks!

I hope the Grand moves forward with expansion, and I kind of wish they would do it on the inland side, where vacant land exists nearby. That would allow the beach to be converted into an actual beach. But I believe Caesars acquired the still-standing Casino Magic hotel tower and garage on the beach side, so that's probably under consideration for development assuming the structure remains viable for renovation.
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January 15th, 2014 at 12:04:28 PM permalink
>Mobile sunset 45 minutes of bumper-to-bumper with everyone blind; probably would have been worth getting off the road.
Yes. I loathe driving into a rising or setting sun also. Best to stop for a good "olive salad" somewhere, but then I need to doze for awhile before getting back on the road and risking a DUI.

> plus the BP oil spill ruined, I mean ruined, them until recently.
One thing that happened, I believe, is that Biloxi zoned out casinos so close to major waterways. Therefore some casinos were in effect granted exclusivity zones of non-competition.

> Beautiful view of the Gulf, but broken construction in the forefront alongside an abandoned building.
That is the trouble with zoning for casinos: of what value are small plots of land nearby? Can't build another casino and can't compete with them.
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January 15th, 2014 at 12:30:51 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

this is the only report I've seen on what odds might be offered around there. I kind of figured 3x4x5x since no one was complaining about 2x. Of course, I could have missed someone posting something.

We're reading, Babs.[g]



It has been a year since I have been in Biloxi, but I am quite sure Grand craps game is 10x odds, same as Beau Rivage.

You also get the Vig on win for the Buy 4,5,9,10. Since it is the same rules in Tunica, I am wondering if it is a MS gaming requirement about the vig?
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January 15th, 2014 at 12:32:17 PM permalink
More Biloxi.

The VP is up a ramp, to the left. Approx. 100 older machines, 5 cent - $1 in that area, most of them multi-game, some multi-denom. I saw QQ, TDB, DDB, FPDW, 8/5 JOB, STP, Ult-X, Multi-Strike, 100x hands, and SpinPoker played. There may have been others; I'm sorry, I did not play and can't be more informative as to paytables/denoms. I did not see many progressives, but they could have been there.

Further ahead and to the left is the Asian gaming room, with separate wall but several openings. They had 3 mini-baccs, all 8 deck, dragon side-bet, mins 15-25. One hi-limit BJ, DD, not sure of rules, $50 min when slow, $100 min at night. A second table was $500 min. The one time it was operating, it was reserved by orange-chip players, and I was politely moved on. 1 Fortune PGP, $10 min, open 24/7, which was where I spent the majority of my time. House rules were similar to what JB published, except A face in top hand with high-low or middle-middle required to keep pairs together; except Aces always split. They also played 6 as a middle pair, not a low pair. I had 4 - 4OAK the first night, 2 4OAK and a SF the second night, a SF the third night. Otherwise, hands were generally favorable to player 1st night, favorable to house 2nd and 3rd night. Total play was about 18 hours, with 10 of that the first night. I always played 2 hands, built each hand up if it won, took winnings after 3 in a row. Played the bonus every time. Caveat: the table felt at the grand has the fortune bonus colored in, edged from red to center of gold, like a sunburst. REALLY bad design flaw, IMO, as the bet is 5 to maximize your opportunities, and when things are moving fast it does NOT catch your eye like it should if you haven't replaced the bet (which you have to do roughly 5 of 6 hands). I got burnt once, though I was being careful, but luckily it was not a bonus hand dealt. Over all 3 nights and 3 days, down approx. $150. Had a couple of super-slow dealers, others were brisk, all nice along with nice pit supes. Very bad tier points, too, PGP. Which is why I....

Played some slots each day, mostly QHP's, which I could never really get to fire up like they did for me in Vegas in Sept. I tried to catch Rock around the Clock favorably but I was the only one playing it the whole time I was there, and no clock got beyond 7:30, though I had a couple of minor bonuses. Kudos to whoever designed/built Twilight Zone; what a trip that machine was! I did almost nothing with it, but was completely fascinated by several concepts I'd never seen on a slot before, so blew some money in it. Total slot time probably 2 hours, mostly losing. Did not get ahead on any machine.

Had very good cocktail service from all but one waitress at the Grand; and she was truly horrible in every way short of spitting in my drink in front of me. Overall outstanding. Ate at the Grill 2 more times; everything we ate was outstanding. Noodle bar was closed the entire time; only open on weekends. In 3 months, it will be torn out and made into a Steak n Shake. Ugh. What a bad change. LB's steakhouse had very limited hours, but we got my mom their amazing 7 layer chocolate torte thru the grill supervisor (pit supe told us to ask) after they were closed one night. Finest cake I never ate. Highly recommend.

more later.
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January 15th, 2014 at 12:36:50 PM permalink
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... The only new construction in the interim has been the Hard Rock, and reportedly once they decided to come in, it was only 2 months from groundbreaking to opening a 250 room hotel. The state used this fact to light a fire under CET (again reportedly) and they are now starting renovations of the Grand, which will be renamed Harrah's Gulf Coast in the near future...



Hi babs,
I look forward to your gaming reports from your trip.

Just for clarity, the Hard Rock has been next to the Beau Rivage since I have been going there, which started in 2009. The last time I was there was March 2013, and the Hard Rock was putting in the foundation for their expansion (They took out their pool area). Not sure where they moved the pool area.
It sounds like they have finished that expansion. Is the whole Hard Rock now 250 rooms, or is it just the expansion that contains 250 rooms?
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January 15th, 2014 at 12:53:53 PM permalink
I had a strange experience at The Grand PGP game when we played there last time.

There were 3 of us playing, I was playing 2 spots, and I was not playing the fortune bet (I will sometimes play for $5 Envy on a full table). Anyway, my friend next to me keeps telling me I am going to hit it, and I should play it. Finally he asks if he can play my Fortune on my second hand. I said sure, so he puts a chip on the spot.
It was slow and the floor was standing at the table. She says, "You can't do that". I say, "do what?" She says, "He cannot bet on your spot." I said, with a grin, "He's not. He owed me $5 from earlier, and he just paid me back." She shook her head, smiled, and walked away. So after that, he would give me a green after every 5 hands played, and I would make the $5 bet.
Well, sure enough, the hand hits a $250 pay (I think it was a straight flush). So the floor has to come back over to witness the payout. I get handed $250, which I promptly hand to my friend. The floor says, "I suppose you owed him $250 from an earlier loan?" Without missing a beat, my friend says, "No, it was only $150" as he hands me back a black chip. Everyone cracks up, and once again the floor shook her head and walked away.

When we left I made it a point to stop and thank the floor for the good time we had in her game. I don't really care for the Grand, but her not being an a$$ about the betting created a lot of good will with us, and we will go back for more PGP because she was nice about it.
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January 15th, 2014 at 12:54:10 PM permalink
The Hard Rock has been purchased by Twin River Casino's parent company, Twin River Worldwide Holding, for $250 million. The deal is expected to be completed in June. If those Rhode Island accents ever mix with the Southern accents - look out! :-)
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January 15th, 2014 at 1:50:10 PM permalink
Knew about the purchase. Was going on what the checkin clerk told me about the Hard Rok while I was at the counter waiting for the room. Her point was that they put up 250 rooms in 2 months, which put pressure on the Grand to do something about the post-Katrina wreck of their original casino. I think I could easily have misunderstood it and it was the expansion, which I would expect to be 250 rooms given the conversation, and not the original opening.
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January 15th, 2014 at 1:55:54 PM permalink
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Quote: odiousgambit

this is the only report I've seen on what odds might be offered around there. I kind of figured 3x4x5x since no one was complaining about 2x. Of course, I could have missed someone posting something.

We're reading, Babs.[g]



It has been a year since I have been in Biloxi, but I am quite sure Grand craps game is 10x odds, same as Beau Rivage.

You also get the Vig on win for the Buy 4,5,9,10. Since it is the same rules in Tunica, I am wondering if it is a MS gaming requirement about the vig?



Could easily have been 10x odds, Raleigh; the table was closed when I took a close look at it, and I'm not a knowledgable craps player. I did not see any unusual bets other than the FB. There was no placard or sign as to odds, and I didn't see it on the felt. I overheard a discussion the next night on a different table down the way, and took from that it was 3-4-5, but wasn't in the conversation, so I could be mistaken. I don't know if the horn bets are on all tables but I saw that section on this one, as well. I did not see an all/tall/small area or anything like that; not sure any craps tables have that bet, anyway.
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