RonC
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April 11th, 2015 at 9:59:31 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Agreed. And that's a big part of why work like this is bid out and governed by master contracts with the vendors who perform it.



I must have missed him saying that there was a master contract dictating his pricing; perhaps he said that. I thought he said that he made certain line items higher based on the PITA factor.

If the contract calls for $500/hr and defines how the hours can be charged, it would be fraudulent to inflate the number of hours.

I don't think that is what he said.
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April 11th, 2015 at 10:09:22 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

I must have missed him saying that there was a master contract dictating his pricing; perhaps he said that. I thought he said that he made certain line items higher based on the PITA factor.

If the contract calls for $500/hr and defines how the hours can be charged, it would be fraudulent to inflate the number of hours.

I don't think that is what he said.



I agree. That's not what he said. But, like so many things in the past, what he said isn't how it works. In your life, have you ever allowed a contractor to work for you without negotiating the rate first? What on earth would make you think that the professionals that B79 claims to work with and for would ever allow work to be performed without prior negotiation? I'm sorry, but we'd have to pretend that everyone ignores some pretty basic business practices in order to accept what B79 is saying.
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April 11th, 2015 at 10:42:22 AM permalink
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B79 certainly doesn't help himself here with the other things he says either. Claiming a member of his crew died on the side of the road on a day when no road crew members in north america were killed on jobsites - as if that wasn't an easily fact-checked item. Claiming to regularly work 120 hour weeks, as if we couldn't all figure out that 120 is too close to 168 for that to be truthful. The whole bit about the MGM fire. I think we're still waiting for some simple answers about that whopper. The lies are just too stupid to generate any respect at all.
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April 11th, 2015 at 10:51:57 AM permalink
If a vendor feels he should "legitimately" charge $20, and bills $70 because he "despises" his paying client: what does that tell you?

No doubt the insurance companies go ape over such inflated billings / monkeyshines.
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April 11th, 2015 at 11:16:11 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

If a vendor feels he should "legitimately" charge $20, and bills $70 because he "despises" his paying client: what does that tell you?

No doubt the insurance companies go ape over such inflated billings / monkeyshines.



We're talking about highway construction and cleanup projects. I'm sure the state and federal governments paying for the macro-level projects also really appreciate subjective over-charging within the stack of contractors.
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April 11th, 2015 at 2:37:48 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I agree. That's not what he said. But, like so many things in the past, what he said isn't how it works. In your life, have you ever allowed a contractor to work for you without negotiating the rate first? What on earth would make you think that the professionals that B79 claims to work with and for would ever allow work to be performed without prior negotiation? I'm sorry, but we'd have to pretend that everyone ignores some pretty basic business practices in order to accept what B79 is saying.



We can let him explain that and then go from there...I am not sure, but I think that handling things in an emergency situation might have a lot more leeway in pricing.

My only point is that someone used the word "fraud" and there was nothing in his statement that met the criteria of "fraud"...
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April 11th, 2015 at 3:26:41 PM permalink
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Getting back to the first part of my post here, that client I so despise, I don't turn away, I just write the 8 to 15 page invoice and bear in mind how they trim it up and what they arbitrarily cut and those things they never ever challenge. if I legitimately get say $20 to do item A and they will cut it repeatedly to $5 it's all fine. There are plenty of line items where I can legitimately increase something by say $50 whereas I would have only charged $20 otherwise. I suddenly made another $15 whereas I would never have realized that. I just take the way they act, found another way to combat that, make more money and we don't fight, they feel they got a fair shake and paid a more than fair invoice and we part friends and I look forward to the work from the clients I used to detest. (Bolding mine: bbb)



Mr. V, rdw4potus, anybody else who chimed in claiming fraud:

I think it's seriously irresponsible of you to say this based on what was posted. I don't see where B79 has said he does anything fraudulent in these billings. If what he was doing was fraud, every hospital, doctor, and dentist I've seen in the past 30 years would be behind bars. He provides a price for his services; the insurance company or whoever has a schedule of what they're willing/allowed to pay for those services, line by line. It's an accepted business negotiation among professional services; it would appear (not knowing his business) there is a range of pricing for invoice activities, and B79 bills with a knowledge of what that range might be.

I think it's especially reprehensible for you all to be trashing him while he's suspended and unable to answer back. Stop it please, now.
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April 11th, 2015 at 4:15:19 PM permalink
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I think it's especially reprehensible for you all to be trashing him while he's suspended and unable to answer back. Stop it please, now.


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April 11th, 2015 at 5:19:15 PM permalink
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I think it's especially reprehensible for you all to be trashing him while he's suspended and unable to answer back. Stop it please, now.



I think it's normal and expected for conversations to continue during suspensions. If we all wait for the suspension to end before we resume the conversation, it defeats the purpose of the suspension. Plus...you know...it's not our fault that someone broke the rules and got sent to time-out...
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April 12th, 2015 at 4:25:59 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: B79


Getting back to the first part of my post here, that client I so despise, I don't turn away, I just write the 8 to 15 page invoice and bear in mind how they trim it up and what they arbitrarily cut and those things they never ever challenge. if I legitimately get say $20 to do item A and they will cut it repeatedly to $5 it's all fine. There are plenty of line items where I can legitimately increase something by say $50 whereas I would have only charged $20 otherwise. I suddenly made another $15 whereas I would never have realized that. I just take the way they act, found another way to combat that, make more money and we don't fight, they feel they got a fair shake and paid a more than fair invoice and we part friends and I look forward to the work from the clients I used to detest. (Bolding mine: bbb)



Mr. V, rdw4potus, anybody else who chimed in claiming fraud:

I think it's seriously irresponsible of you to say this based on what was posted. I don't see where B79 has said he does anything fraudulent in these billings. If what he was doing was fraud, every hospital, doctor, and dentist I've seen in the past 30 years would be behind bars. He provides a price for his services; the insurance company or whoever has a schedule of what they're willing/allowed to pay for those services, line by line. It's an accepted business negotiation among professional services; it would appear (not knowing his business) there is a range of pricing for invoice activities, and B79 bills with a knowledge of what that range might be.

I think it's especially reprehensible for you all to be trashing him while he's suspended and unable to answer back. Stop it please, now.



Forum Rule 1: "If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer".

I disagree with some things in this post and in this thread however I'm not going to attack anything or anyone. I will merely politely point out the things I disagree with.

I disagree that the person suspended was the one being bashed. In my opinion, teliot, referred to in that long post as Eliot, was the one being bashed. It's interesting, in my opinion, that "stop it please, now" did not appear at the end of that post.

I disagree that suspended members should be accommodated in any way while on suspension.

I find it troubling that a member of this site would attempt to silence other members by telling them to "stop it please, now". I find it more troubling when it is done by an administrator.

I question why this thread was started and I question it's title. I don't think it was started so we could enjoy bartenders/entertainers performing in a Latvian casino.

In my opinion, the use of the words "irresponsible" and "reprehensible" against some of our members is borderline insulting, if not outright insulting.
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