AxelWolf
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April 10th, 2015 at 2:56:42 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

rainman notes for Axel.

1. B79 believes Eliot to be a treasonous two timing scoundrel.
2. B79 believes he must have a well paying job so he can give his wife lavish gifts.
3. B79 believes Eliot to be a treasonous two timing scoundrel.
4. B79 is a master of creative invoicing.
5. He believes Eliot to be a treasonous two timing scoundrel.

Sending you a bill for a shorted out keyboard. I haven't seen something that funny in a while.

Note to self. DDefinitely don't drink V8 while reading RM's posts.
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MrV
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April 10th, 2015 at 7:30:24 AM permalink
I understand the concept of seeking a form of payback via creative invoicing.

But the bills for hazardous spills clean-up are paid by the trucker's insurance company, not the truck owner, correct?

So who is really getting screwed, and what is really being accomplished by fabricating false invoices just because someone disses you?

Such business practices seem fraudulent, misdirected and petty.
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aceofspades
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April 10th, 2015 at 10:56:37 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

Gee Eliot, I have certain clients in the trucking business that I really do despise because of their bad pay habits, their slowness, their challenges to every single line item on the invoice and their constant threat of either going to court or just plain not paying. But you know what, I still value each and every single one of them. I don't chastise, yell or demean or even hint by code, their drivers at the spill site are wrong-negligent or otherwise, rather---I try my best to console them, assure them mistakes happen and treat them with respect and dignity. [after the initial, 'sign here for your consent and authorization' ritual and can we get you a ride to leave the scene so you would be more comfortable, say in a motel or a truck stop, and hey-thanks] Of course the driver, whether an actual owner operator or an employee of a tractor trailer that just rolled his semi and caused 300 gallons of fuel to be released and say tens of thousand of pounds or thousand of gallons of cargo to also be released---all because of reaching for his or her little dog or texting, is just like me or you in most ways. That person is what puts food on my table, gets my little boy to pet a dolphin or see behind the scenes where other little kids will never have the chance, it wraps a Beautiful new SUV around my wife, it puts a larger than normal rock on her finger, it allows me to experience and do things many cannot as well as clothing my family and allowing each of the 3 kids to have their own I-pad, vetch and leap frogs. It allows the milk and the fruit loops in the morning and the sticky rice and PHO to be made on demand. It allows the water bill to be paid and the cable tv to be available 24/7 in the house. The same as the owner of the gas station where Aceofspades fell in love with the female driver the other day, the station owner values that ladies business as well as Ace's so his kids can survive and do things and he can clothe and feed his family, etc., et al.

Let's see a royalty for a book is around $10 to $12 with a $40 to $50 retail give or take. I totally get your playing both sides of the fence. You make money form the casino by teaching them how to spot, 86, interrupt, identify and stop an AP player at their tables in their house. Yet, you buddy up and learn all the tricks of the trade and make yourself a big brother and a mentor to the people of this board and yet, you are almost the same as an undercover that infiltrates an organized crime family and then testifies at the trial that will remove and incarcerate the father of the family for his remaining child's life. Question, when one of the players of this board works so hard to earn a living in a casino and the pitboss you earned a living from, identifies and 86's that player, do you console him and tell him how sorry you are and buy him lunch, or do you laugh all the way to the bank????

Getting back to the first part of my post here, that client I so despise, I don't turn away, I just write the 8 to 15 page invoice and bear in mind how they trim it up and what they arbitrarily cut and those things they never ever challenge. if I legitimately get say $20 to do item A and they will cut it repeatedly to $5 it's all fine. There are plenty of line items where I can legitimately increase something by say $50 whereas I would have only charged $20 otherwise. I suddenly made another $15 whereas I would never have realized that. I just take the way they act, found another way to combat that, make more money and we don't fight, they feel they got a fair shake and paid a more than fair invoice and we part friends and I look forward to the work from the clients I used to detest.

It's all subjective the same as to the price of your book. It may be worth $500 to one person and $1.00 to another and yet worthless by someone else. But the retail price is considered in part and must past muster by those preparing it, selling it and of course the author, all in the grand scheme as to make money from eh sale of it. Simple. But why demean your chances to profit and make revenue that could easily be realized by shaking your finger and smirking your lips in the face of potential customers??? I can only equate what you do to myself patrolling the interstates and pulling over a driver and convincing him not to text or anything else that will prevent him from possible upset and accident. I am not in the prevention, law enforcement or teaching field. I am in the clean up and remedial field something the law enforcement and fire department does not do, cannot do or does not have the equipment or budget to do. MCC and the DOT and the PUC mandate that all transportation companies have to be financially responsible for cleaning up their own spill releases or their interstate authorities and permits become revoked. I can only imagine the response I would get if I called up the company that pays an $80,000.00 or a $1.5M clean up invoice and shake my finger in their face and chastise them how their driver wrecked because of his negligence or lack of common sense and how childish and wrong he really was. That is why my written reports all start out the same way in a tractor trailer crash, the bulk of my business......"Truck and trailer exited the roadway and (describe here the upset and crash) with no reason given whether driver error, weather conditions, or equipment failure, etc., not my concern one bit.

[gee Axel, what can I say, it's around 3am and I am waiting with my crew to clean up a few thousand gallons of product. The wrecker service is waiting on a mobile crane to get here and lift the semi back up to the roadway so they can recover it and we can get to work. You quoted me and I was not finished yet.]

So Teliot, it is obvious you are law enforcement, undercover operations and teaching the casino personnel to 86 the AP'ers---there is no doubt about that. The only part I can't fathom is the part of the board and the big brother/big sister role. I guess I would have to relate that to a rouge FBI agent that teaches say------counterfeiting tips and tricks to organized crime families on weekends in his 'seminar'. Then that same agent writes part-time on a internet board and preaches morals and ethics in his attempts to better society as well as his neighborhood.

SO, is it just bread and butter or is it each and every person is under review, scrutiny and evaluation as to his or her math skills and play habits. It takes every kind to make up a casino as it does a shopping mall or a university. It's just why some succeed and some fail by their own standards-not yours or mine. And some just live. Personally, I think no one is right or wrong, we are just doing our own thing and do our best to make ourselves happy. Why all the finger pointing and the dual roles and then the, 'your not the correct kind and I don't care whether or not you believe my spiel-I teach the casino and I want to adhere to the role of the AP'er and encourage those to play with an advantage so I have something to warn the casinos about'.




This post is relevant to my interests!!! NICE
rdw4potus
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April 10th, 2015 at 3:51:33 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I understand the concept of seeking a form of payback via creative invoicing.

But the bills for hazardous spills clean-up are paid by the trucker's insurance company, not the truck owner, correct?

So who is really getting screwed, and what is really being accomplished by fabricating false invoices just because someone disses you?

Such business practices seem fraudulent, misdirected and petty.



This board has a rule against illegal behavior. Does bragging about fraud violate that rule?
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Dalex64
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April 10th, 2015 at 6:54:53 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

This board has a rule against illegal behavior. Does bragging about fraud violate that rule?



It is my understanding that bragging about fraud is not illegal, and is in fact encouraged by law enforcement.
Greasyjohn
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April 10th, 2015 at 10:09:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

A 14 min video that's 13 min too long. I
lasted 30 sec.



I lasted a minute.
1BB
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April 11th, 2015 at 12:38:34 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

I lasted a minute.



That's what she said! Ba da bing! Where's our buddy, Buzz, when you need him? :-)
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RonC
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April 11th, 2015 at 2:28:41 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

This board has a rule against illegal behavior. Does bragging about fraud violate that rule?



Is it fraud if he does the work that is on the line item and charges different people different prices?

I know it would be fraud if he added line items that were not done.

Examples:

I charge you $25 for Teliot's book and I charge someone someone else $50 because they have hassled me too much about it.

I charge you $25 for a copy of Teliot's booked that I signed when I told you it would be a "signed copy" of his book. I implied that he would sign it; I actually signed my own name to it.

Perhaps those aren't the best examples, but it is early...
rdw4potus
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April 11th, 2015 at 6:11:23 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Is it fraud if he does the work that is on the line item and charges different people different prices?

I know it would be fraud if he added line items that were not done.

Examples:

I charge you $25 for Teliot's book and I charge someone someone else $50 because they have hassled me too much about it.

I charge you $25 for a copy of Teliot's booked that I signed when I told you it would be a "signed copy" of his book. I implied that he would sign it; I actually signed my own name to it.

Perhaps those aren't the best examples, but it is early...



A book has an MSRP, so charging differing prices is tricky. Let's say you're billing for a rare book personal shopping and delivery service. The customer tells you they want a rare book, then you find it and deliver it for a fee. In that case:

I'll concede the that hassling took you extra time and that charging more in that case may have been warranted.

I think the initial deception in the signed copy example would be enough for you to lose a civil case. Not sure about any criminal trial outcome (I edited this response)

My examples:

I write contracts with you and Evenbob to do identical work. Both contracts have a stated rate per hour. Both jobs take 5 hours. I bill you for 5 hours, but I bill bob for 7 because he annoys me.

My contracts have a clause that allows for a pass-through of certain travel costs. I take reasonable efforts to control those costs when I work for you, but I party like a rockstar when I'm traveling to bob's jobsite.
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RonC
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April 11th, 2015 at 6:18:25 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

A book has an MSRP, so charging differing prices is tricky. Let's say you're billing for a rare book personal shopping and delivery service. The customer tells you they want a rare book, then you find it and deliver it for a fee. In that case:

I'll concede the that hassling took you extra time and that charging more in that case may have been warranted.

I think the initial deception in the signed copy example would be enough for you to lose a civil case. Not sure about any criminal trial outcome (I edited this response)

My examples:

I write contracts with you and Evenbob to do identical work. Both contracts have a stated rate per hour. Both jobs take 5 hours. I bill you for 5 hours, but I bill bob for 7 because he annoys me.

My contracts have a clause that allows for a pass-through of certain travel costs. I take reasonable efforts to control those costs when I work for you, but I party like a rockstar when I'm traveling to bob's jobsite.



Which all goes to my point--we have people here saying what B79 is doing as fraud. They are accusing him of something criminal; which I don't think it is. Just another way some people insult people without calling them names. If they said simply that they didn't agree with it; that would be fine. You can say he is not the type of business person you would want to use to do the work. Nah. We just toss "fraud" out there and accuse him of a criminal act.

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