Redskins -- Offensive word or just a football team -- discuss

If I remember correctly the University of North Dakota was forced to change their nickname "Fighting Sioux" because it implied a negative persona on the Sioux as always wanting to fight. I think this is the case of picking on the little guy in the name of political correctness. If it wasn't they would definitely go after the Notre Dame "Fighting Irish". Of course that won't happen because Notre Dame and the catholic church have too much money and power.

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If I remember correctly the University of North Dakota was forced to change their nickname "Fighting Sioux" because it implied a negative persona on the Sioux as always wanting to fight. I think this is the case of picking on the little guy in the name of political correctness. If it wasn't they would definitely go after the Notre Dame "Fighting Irish". Of course that won't happen because Notre Dame and the catholic church have too much money and power.

I wonder how the Fighting Sheldons of Sheldonopolis will fare?

;)

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I have never seen "Redskins" used derogatorily when referring to the Washington team. And I've never understood it to be a derogatory term, though I grew up in the Plains among many tribes, where there were other words that WERE considered offensive, and we supported the Minnesota Vikings, which is an ethnic reference as well, though apparently not one that's considered derogatory. But it's not up to me what offends someone else, either.

Well then Babs darlin', I guess you won't mind if the Ravens become the Baltimore Bitches !

How 'bout those Fightin' Whities?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites

I was a Catholic boy from Pigtown, just back of the stockyards. Catholic grade school and 2 years at Mt St. Joe's College.
Actually an all boys Catholic high school, run by the take no prisoners Xaverian Brothers. Had to drop out to support my family.
Worked days in Schreiber brothers grocery store. No pallets or fork lifts back then.

98 degrees, 90+ humidity. Hotter than hell inside the trailer me and Mr. Smith had to unload. Black Mr. Smith, 40 +, 6'2, 220, and a preacher. One day on smoke break a guy borrowed a cigarette and when I got it back I asked why he had N***** lipped it. This was 1956 and I can still remember the look on Mt. Smith's face. I tried to not use the word ever again.

Richard Pyror never used the N word again after visiting Africa in 1979. That meant he lost about 90% of his material. He had MS , about a bad a death as you can have. A few years after as the MS started to take over, he established his website.
" I ain't dead yet, Motherf***er.

I worked in the poolroom at night for Henry Gordon, smartest gambler I ever knew. In 61 I started collecting for Julius the LORD Salisbury, biggest book on East Coast. 1962 My Uncle Ray suggested I enlist in the Air force. The feds had a hot nut for the Lord and anybody associated with him.

I got out in 1966 and heard that Crazy Joe Cohen had been a marcher in Selma. WTF I mean you had to undergo no violent training, people spitting on you . NO WAY.

WAY ! Ran into Joe in a bar few weeks later. Yep, he got spit on, piss thrown on him etc. Of course a few months later Joe went back to some of those towns on his victory tour. The blacks who show him where the guys who harassed him lived. Joe would set fire to a barn or car, then beat the hell out of the guy when he came out of the house. With the butt end of a brass cord wrapped cue stick, instead of the baseball bat he used to use. Said the stick left striped bruises that were so pretty. Hey, he earned the nickname Crazy.

Year later I was working at AT&T when I was invited to a Mexican Barbecue. I told Robert Running Bear we could throw a dog on the fire for him. Next thing I know I got hit in the chest with a handset thrown from 30 feet, but hurt like hell.

What did I do, nothing besides apologize and hope no bones were broken. Because I remember what Little Beaver said when he grew up to be a white detective.

These same losers who says it's the owners right, will scream if that owner takes HIS team to another city.

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How 'bout those Fightin' Whities?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites

Colorado Colleges are a trip. A female who had tried out as a field goal kicker sued CU later. Players would call her a C**T in front of coaches and coaches never said a word. A female VP of CU was on a radio talk show doing damage control. Even said that at one time the word had been a term of endearment.

I bluffed my was past the screener, took her side, then asked if a float was provided would she be willing to be the
Homecoming C**T ? I guess the guy operating the 3 second delay was too busy laughing and it went out on the air.

Thank heavens none of Josie's friends were listening. Cause my voice is too damn recognizable.

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I bluffed my was past the screener, took her side, then asked if a float was provided would she be willing to be the
Homecoming C**T ? I guess the guy operating the 3 second delay was too busy laughing and it went out on the air.

I'd love to have audio or video of that!

Well done, Buzz. Well done.

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Well then Babs darlin', I guess you won't mind if the Ravens become the Baltimore Bitches !

Not even a little bit. But I think the players might object just a touch.

Really stretching it to claim the Ravens would be racist anyway. Has to originate with Edgar Allen Poe, and his most famous poem. Son of Baltimore and all that. Very erudite of them, for footballers, what what? lol...

Hey I used to ride the #8 street car to mount saint Joe's. It went right past Edgar Allen Poe's grave.
QUOTE THE RAVEN NEVER MORE.

Baltimore had more class than Indiannapolis. COLTS MY ASS

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[..] I guess you won't mind if the Ravens become the Baltimore Bitches !

More like sons thereof ;)

I was thinking that the owners of the Washington Redskins should change their name to the Washington Whodehekawe.

I got my inspiration from this F Troop video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPNcZJ9y0o

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I was thinking that the owners of the Washington Redskins should change their name to the Washington Whodehekawe.

I got my inspiration from this F Troop video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPNcZJ9y0o

I didn't even need to watch that video. Its the one joke from F-troop I never forgot. I guess I wasn't the only one impressed with that particular line.

Somewhere Larry Storch is happy that we are talking about him. As for Forrest Tucker, he was known to have the 2nd largest in Hollywood after Milton Berle.

I am offended by the candy named Cracker Jacks, they need to change the name to Caramel Jacks.

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Politically correct video of the usage of the N-word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mwNbTL3pOs

Imagine the edited version of that

I'm sorry I even brought it up...

Let the record show that I didn't bring up the Washington football team when I opened this pandora's box. I simply stated that "Redskins" is an offensive term. Now, I regret comparing it to the N-word. It is true that "redskin" is not on that level, but the fact remains that it is a racial slur. Look it up in any dictionary; it will be marked as "usually offensive," "dated or offensive," or "Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive." It is a term that was used to marginalize an entire group of people at a time when they were heavily discriminated against. I am not an overly politically correct person, and it is offensive to me. (I'm also as lily white as you can get.*) I would hope that whether you are personally offended by it or not, you would refrain from using it in common conversation, as Sabretom2 did in the post that started this mess.

If it's not offensive to you, fine. No one can tell you what to be offended about. Lots of people aren't offended by the N word either, and it's not socially acceptable.

Now, moving on to the football team. As a libertarian, I absolutely do not believe the government should have any role in forcing or even suggesting that they change the name. I agree that our nation's legislators should have more important things to worry about. Instead I would hope that eventually the societal pressure would become strong enough that Mr. Snyder would realize he is wrong on this one, and give in and change the name. Sadly I don't think that will happen any time soon. The recent trademark decision doesn't really change anything. It will be years before it is either upheld or struck down upon appeal, and even if it is upheld, all it means is other people can use the name and logo for profit. The team will still make plenty of money if they choose to keep the name.

It is true that many Native Americans are not offended by the term, but this doesn't change the fact that it is a historically racist slur. I do have some personal experience with this one as my fiance comes from a family with Native American ancestry. Her dad is well-connected with their tribe and one of his first cousins is the current chief. She and her cousins all have their tribal cards and are permitted to fish and hunt on their tribal lands. I only bring up these details to hopefully lend some credibility to their opinions. Her dad couldn't give a rat's ass what the football team is named (coincidentally he also lives in the DC area). Whereas my fiance finds it horribly offensive and strongly feels they should change it.

*Technically I am descended from a woman of the Crow Nation, my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother, which would put me at 1/16th native blood, but I only discovered this fact as an adult and don't claim to have any connection to the tribe or any cultural background. It's likely many white, European-descended Americans like myself have just as much native ancestry and don't even know about it.