7winner
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:17:30 AM permalink
After dealing dice for over 30 years, nothing any more can ever annoy me, I have seen it all and it does not make you feel any better to become annoyed.
Wait, it is the bum that the boxman allows to play, that always reaches into his pants and smells his hands after words...yes, that STILL annoys me to no end.
Throw the bum out! Get me a NEW boxman!
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AZDuffman
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:26:46 AM permalink
Quote: 7winner

After dealing dice for over 30 years, nothing any more can ever annoy me, I have seen it all and it does not make you feel any better to become annoyed.
Wait, it is the bum that the boxman allows to play, that always reaches into his pants and smells his hands after words...yes, that STILL annoys me to no end.
Throw the bum out! Get me a NEW boxman!



Is it just me does boxman really look like the most boring job on the face ot the earth? Well, maybe right after greeter at Wal-Mart.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
7winner
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:31:03 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Then I can argue itis ALWAYS WRONG to make a pass line bet.
Both events, making a pass line bet, and picking up your 8 on a don't, are in the house's favor.


Only Theoretically.

Empirically I have been all my life a pass line bettor, no odds, well a few times and I show a lifetime profit from that type of play.
My blog has more about that.
Quote: SOOPOO

Which is more foolish, a $1000 pass line bet or picking up a $10 8 point on the don'ts?
One costs you about $14 and the other about $1.


That is an apples to oranges type of question.
But, picking up a don't pass point 6 or 8 IS more foolish. giving up a 9.09%(1/11) player's advantage...more foolish

Quote: SOOPOO

Not even close, but will you say that someone betting $1000 on the passline is ALWAYS WRONG?


NO.
It is never wrong to make a pass line bet.
It is one of the best Craps bets to always make.

Quote: SOOPOO

If you are gambling to make money, then you need to find a +EV game. Anyone playing craps, by definition,
is not expecting to make money.


That statement is wrong
Quote: SOOPOO

They are gambling for the thrill, or whatever....

That is perfectly fine.
Quote: SOOPOO

People who make a 'bad' bet are not 'wrong'. If they try to assert that by doing so they are going to make
more money, well, then they would be 'wrong'.


The definition of "wrong" is to remove a bet that HAS a players advantage. +EV
enjoy
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superrick
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:43:25 AM permalink
There is nothing about rapid craps, that is rapid, and that is the problem! The game stops with ever roll of the dice, unlike rapid roulette where they now get more spins per hour. I have buddies that love that game, they play it for their comp's when they are in town!

There are somethings that can be upgraded, and then you have craps,, that should be left alone! If I wanted to play a type of video game I would just stay at home!

The learning curve is stopped, the person you now are interacting with is a casino worker, or dealer if that is what you want to now call the one or two guys they have walking in back of you, trying to get you to bet and use the monitor the right way! You can's see what anybody else bet!

There are plenty of problems with craps, and late bets, players buying into the game late, money flying across the table when the shooter is shooting, chips in the way, players that think it's neat to stack 25 chips when they could have just put one green chip down!
You still have the guy that wants to stick his hands into the tub when the shooter is shooting, trying to point out something on the table.

The only thing that craps players hate and is stopped by this table is the chips on the table!

If the evil empire of Harrah's thought that players would play this game, they would have taken out all their regular tables already, and replaced them with this game!

Look at why players play craps in the first place, they like the action, it's fast pace, and the social part of the game!
Rapid Craps have none of them!

There is nothing worst than a prop bettor, they will stop a roll from happening every time they play, and you got to love the guy that makes a big red bet, when someone is on a roll, these type of players never even turn off their own bets when they do it, losing all their bets when the guy makes a seven, because the chip was flying across the table when the shooter was shooting!

How about the player that throws a $1000 in the field when the shooters has been making nothing but 6's & 8's, they get their just reward right away, that's a six no field six!

Then you have the come bettor that will put his chips right where the shooter has been landing their dice every time they made a shot, my list goes on, and on. You have guys that have been playing craps for forty-five years and they still do every stupid thing they can to stop a roll dead!

Craps is a fun game for most players even when they know nothing about the game, when they are standing at the table and a point is made everybody knows what just happened, with rapid craps ,most players don't have a clue!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
guido111
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:51:35 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Then I can argue itis ALWAYS WRONG to make a pass line bet.
Both events, making a pass line bet, and picking up your 8 on a don't, are in the house's favor.


You are mistaken.
The player has a 9.09% advantage on a point of 6 or 8 on the don't pass.
6 ways to win and 5 ways to lose. (1/11)
Quote: SOOPOO

Which is more foolish, a $1000 pass line bet or picking up a $10 8 point on the don'ts?
One costs you about $14 and the other about $1.



But now what is more foolish?
Making a $1000 pass line bet that has an expected value of -$14
or removing a $1000 don't pass point 6 or 8.
guido111
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:58:26 AM permalink
Quote: superrick


If the evil empire of Harrah's thought that players would play this game, they would have taken out all their regular tables already, and replaced them with this game!


The only thing "rapid" at Rapid Craps are the payouts once the dealer enters in the number that rolled. Ten players paid right now, faster than the best craps dealer could ever do.
I think the Rapid Craps is after those that want to play but are intimated by the action on a Craps table.
The players I saw at the Rapid Craps table were 90% or more new to the game or have played it just a few times.

I'm sure after learning the game at Rapid Craps they would "feel" more comfortable at a real Craps table.
Nice to have a choice.
I played 5 hours at Rapid Craps 2 different times and was never tired. Nice to sit and play!
AZDuffman
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November 28th, 2010 at 8:59:57 AM permalink
Quote: superrick



There are somethings that can be upgraded, and then you have craps,, that should be left alone! If I wanted to play a type of video game I would just stay at home!




Agreed 1000%. Why mess with something that works? Oh, I know, labor costs. You have to pay a few dealers minimum wage. My guess is typical of casino management more and more will switch since they see the $40/hr they are paying in combined wages but can't see the $100/hr in lost bets because players play less since they no longer enjoy the experience.
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Martin
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November 28th, 2010 at 9:01:54 AM permalink
OK - a bit off topic and something that I chose not to address when I read it earlier since I believe "to each his own and to thine own self be true."

When I first started playing craps I played the don't exclusively and often picked up the 6 and 8. Then I did some study and found out that after getting past the 7 on the come out roll picking up a 6 to 5 bet was, forgive me AZ, stupid.

However - I have made many stupid bets "just because" and will probably make many more stupid bets "just because" and if someone else wishes to do so - so be it. Once, when I took down a rather sizable place bet after a hit the dealer made a sarcastic comment. I simply said - "if you think it is in my best interests to leave the bet up, pass me your wallet and I'll use your money." He shut up.
guido111
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November 28th, 2010 at 9:11:15 AM permalink
Quote: Martin

OK - a bit off topic and something that I chose not to address when I read it earlier since I believe "to each his own and to thine own self be true."

When I first started playing craps I played the don't exclusively and often picked up the 6 and 8. Then I did some study and found out that after getting past the 7 on the come out roll picking up a 6 to 5 bet was, forgive me AZ, stupid.


And, the reason why it is "stupid" is because now the player has a 9.09% advantage and then "gives that up!".

What game in a casino gives you those type of advantage numbers at any point?? Not blackjack, not baccarat...hmmmm
Craps has a bunch of them. 33% player's advantage on the come out roll for a pass line bet. That is a good one.

Quote: Martin

However - I have made many stupid bets "just because" and will probably make many more stupid bets "just because" and if someone else wishes to do so - so be it. Once, when I took down a rather sizable place bet after a hit the dealer made a sarcastic comment. I simply said - "if you think it is in my best interests to leave the bet up, pass me your wallet and I'll use your money." He shut up.


There is a big difference between a "stupid" bet and a "sucker bet".

Good line.
That is telling them!
7winner
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November 28th, 2010 at 9:25:08 AM permalink
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There is a big difference between a "stupid" bet and a "sucker bet".


That is good.
We are not talking about the difference between a return of +1.24 vs. +1.23.
There are blackjack and VP plays that are so close, you could choose to go either way, your cost of doing so is very very small.
But removing a don't bet as a don't player will cost you good money the longer you play that way.

But in Craps, since most players play the same way over and over and over again, the same bets, same amount, same, same, same.
It pays to stay away from the "sucker bets" most of the time. But hey, if you feel like it, toss a $1 on you favorite sucker and see what rolls.
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