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teddys
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February 1st, 2011 at 7:17:28 PM permalink
Quote: sammy55

Exactly Harrahs near my house has $5 normally and $2 tables 2 days a week with 100X ODDS and they allow Put bets.So i dont do place bets at Harrahs anymore all Put bets.Lowering the HA when you can Put $2 with $200

Which Harrah's is that?
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February 1st, 2011 at 7:59:20 PM permalink
This thing went almost a month with no post .. and now it is ALIVE. IT'S ALIVE!!!!
bruski
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July 1st, 2011 at 11:41:21 AM permalink
This is a pretty enjoyable thread even though it's painfully obvious that tuttigym is missing some pretty basic concepts. But this particular response makes me think that he is either just completely unintelligent, or he's just messing with people in general. There's just no other way I can see to explain questions like "What is to prevent premature death at the table", etc.

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darnits: 495 PL decisions in a day for 30 yrs?

First, while we are speculating because your set-up is wrong, the table has ten players which is very possible. All random shooters; so the SRR is 6.0. If there was between 45 seconds and one minute between rolls, it would take approximately 38 hours of continuous 24/7 play to complete the 495 PL outcomes.

Second, how many diapers will be soiled? And what is to prevent a premature death at the table?
And are you the only shooter or do the dice rotate between players?

Third, JB, in general terms, what is the liklihood that any given set of 495 PL outcomes will have wins in excess of 251 - very unlikely; somewhat unlikely; likely; somewhat likely; or
very likely??

Fourth, JB, do you know WHO and WHEN this 1.41% HA on PL outcomes was first produced??
Mosca seems to think it was over 3000 years or so ago,and that I am trying to change all that has come before kinda like when the earth was thought to be flat.

tuttigym

bruski
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July 1st, 2011 at 11:54:10 AM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

DJ Thanks for straightening me out on the seven losers. We now have a 495 sided coin that can land only once on each of its sides in 495 flips. (Each side represents one way of winning or losing such as a 12 come out loser and a 1-6 (7) natural come out winner)tuttigym



tuttigym: 495 sided coin?

First, while we are speculating because your set-up is wrong, a 495 sided coin would be almost impossible to mint in a size small enough to fit into the average human's pocket. Also, with an odd number of sides, it would likely be very difficult to create a roll to package the coins in for banking purposes.

Second, how would a coin like that fit into a video game machine? And what would you put on the faces of this coin?

Third, what would be the denomination of this coin? And would we have to redesign cash register trays, vending machines, etc?

I think we need more thought on this matter before moving forward.

-bruski
s2dbaker
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July 1st, 2011 at 12:16:54 PM permalink
Quote: bruski

tuttigym: 495 sided coin?

First, while we are speculating because your set-up is wrong, a 495 sided coin would be almost impossible to mint in a size small enough to fit into the average human's pocket. Also, with an odd number of sides, it would likely be very difficult to create a roll to package the coins in for banking purposes.

Second, how would a coin like that fit into a video game machine? And what would you put on the faces of this coin?

Third, what would be the denomination of this coin? And would we have to redesign cash register trays, vending machines, etc?

I think we need more thought on this matter before moving forward.

-bruski

the coin is chocolate and yummy and I ate it anyway.
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DJTeddyBear
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July 1st, 2011 at 12:35:27 PM permalink
Quote: bruski

495 sided coin?

The "Coin" was just a euphemism. One of many tools we used to drill thru his thick skull. None were successful.

Thankfully, he went away. Unfortunately, the thread still pops up from time to time....
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bruski
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July 1st, 2011 at 12:40:04 PM permalink
Yah I know....was just poking fun back at him since his comeback at the idea of 30 years' worth of 495 PL rolls per day was met with a response of "that's not physically possible" rather than grasping the math behind it.
NowTheSerpent
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September 30th, 2011 at 8:04:21 PM permalink
Abstract probabilities refer by shorthand to a very lage number of concrete trials. If we considered every 36,000,000 rolls of 2d6, we would be more correct in saying that 1,000,000 rolls would be '2' than when we say that in 36 rolls, one roll will be '2', speaking in CONCRETE terms. But the math in the ABSTRACT becomes a convenient and powerful shorthand way of estimating profits LONG TERM. We use the lowest term numbers we can in order to make the math as convenient as possible, without missing anything essential. If the math weren't valid, the casinos wouldn't use it. The same dilemma exists for every other casino game, such as Blackjack, which has even closer edges than that of the Craps Pass Line bet. Hope these remarks are helpful.
mustangsally
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September 30th, 2011 at 8:22:04 PM permalink
Quote: NowTheSerpent

If we considered every 36,000,000 rolls of 2d6, we would be more correct in saying that 1,000,000 rolls would be '2' than when we say that in 36 rolls, one roll will be '2', speaking in CONCRETE terms.


This to me shows the misunderstanding of the Law of Large Numbers.

The Law deals with ratios or percentages and NOT absolute values.

My college stat professor always stressed that point.

In 36 million craps dice rolls the percentages of rolls that were "2" would be closer to 1/36 than at 36 rolls or even 360,000 rolls.
At the same time the actual number of 2s in 36M tosses would more than likely be farther away from 1 million number due to the Arcsine Law.
This would make a good thread by itself. After the weekend I just may do that.

This is a very difficult thread to read. Some real good posts by member Goatcabin and a lot of fillers.

It is Friday night, time to hit the casinos and party.
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September 30th, 2011 at 11:44:00 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

In 36 million craps dice rolls the percentages of rolls that were "2" would be closer to 1/36 than at 36 rolls or even 360,000 rolls.
At the same time the actual number of 2s in 36M tosses would more than likely be farther away from 1 million number due to the Arcsine Law.
This would make a good thread by itself.


I beg to differ. This is the Wizard of Vegas forum, not the Wizard of Stats.
The only relevant number here from a gambling point of view is the probability of rolling a 2 on the next roll - in this case, p = 1/36 = 0.0277777778.
Why so many players persist in comparing various data samples is beyond me.
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