jeffwarren75
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May 10th, 2011 at 8:16:00 PM permalink
maybe someone could help me here but in the bonus casino at fives dimes the pai gow poker game pay 102 or more for 100 doesnt that make that game plus ev
SilentBob420BMFJ
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May 13th, 2011 at 2:09:52 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Using my blackjack house edge calculator, I get a house edge of 0.82%, before factoring the 2-1 on blackjacks and no doubling.

2-1 on blackjacks is worth 2.26% to the player.
No doubling is worth 1.48% to the dealer.

So I show the house edge is 0.82% -2.26% + 1.48% = 0.04%.

Nice! By the way, is it just me, or are other people having trouble loading 5 Dimes.



A continuous shuffling machine favors the player, but what about being dealt every hand from a fresh 8 deck shoe? I imagine they're one in the same, so does that make this game positive?
SilentBob420BMFJ
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May 14th, 2011 at 12:53:45 AM permalink
According to some $400 blackjack software I have (CVData), this game is POSITIVE. Betting $1 flat, adjusting every little aspect, no card counting (what this software is for), this game will return $.07/hr. You'd think you'd earn more with a +.033% EV. So ya, not saying you should bet the $25 maximum, but don't feel guilty playing this game if you're the type to only play positive games.
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May 15th, 2011 at 4:39:16 PM permalink
Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

According to some $400 blackjack software I have (CVData), this game is POSITIVE. Betting $1 flat, adjusting every little aspect, no card counting (what this software is for), this game will return $.07/hr. You'd think you'd earn more with a +.033% EV. So ya, not saying you should bet the $25 maximum, but don't feel guilty playing this game if you're the type to only play positive games.



I found an error in my calculation for the effect of no doubling. I'm lowering that to 1.37%, making the player edge 0.07%.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
SilentBob420BMFJ
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May 27th, 2011 at 1:07:26 PM permalink
Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

According to some $400 blackjack software I have (CVData), this game is POSITIVE. Betting $1 flat, adjusting every little aspect, no card counting (what this software is for), this game will return $.07/hr. You'd think you'd earn more with a +.033% EV. So ya, not saying you should bet the $25 maximum, but don't feel guilty playing this game if you're the type to only play positive games.



Something doesn't seem right with my simulator claiming .04% player edge x 250 hands/hr = $.07/hr. But doing it by hand, .0004 x 250 = $.10/hr, so I guess it's close enough. Hard to believe 10 cents an hour is all you get betting $1. If it's as Wizard says, with a .07% player edge, then it's gonna be .0007 x 250 = $.18/hr. Why not bet more? Because my bankroll is only like $100.
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June 3rd, 2011 at 12:32:33 PM permalink
Pai Gow by Trumps Casino Rules under this pay-rate is (1.02 * 0.2861) - 0.2991 or House Advantage of 0.728%. This is small compared to the standard 2.73% that is calculated as (0.95 * 0.2861) - 0.2991 Other games have better situations for the Player, like the Blackjack game you OP'd. Still, if you like PGP, its a good game compared to others.
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June 3rd, 2011 at 8:31:30 PM permalink
Firstly, can this thread be moved to the Blackjack section? I have no idea why I posted it here.

If you want to play this +EV blackjack game, you actually have to contact 5Dimes once it hits 2 ET on Friday. I've played this game for 3 weeks now, and every time I've had to remind them to put it up. I complained in a "just curious" type of way, but they basically told me just contact them to remind them. This goes for Saturday's full pay Deuces Wild as well.

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