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AZDuffman
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January 23rd, 2011 at 7:57:10 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I hear lots of screams from the Blackjack table too when the dealer busts with a bunch of youngsters on the table. Alas, it's a 6:5 game :).

That said, craps is very much a community game. There are more players around the table. Players are 16 feet away from each other. It's a loud game. Get over it.



Those screams are really bad when they reach the poker room. I still remember the dude yelling "BUST, BUST" and a tablefull of poker players saying, "WTF?" On break the guy was still playing and yelling. I think an employee asked me if it was bothering us. I just said, "He is at a 10, we can use him at a 7." Should be joy in a casino, but when you can hear one voice and pick it up across the pit, well, that is a little over the top.
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dm
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January 23rd, 2011 at 7:57:21 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

We crapsters dwell in the Animal World in the casino, and you BJ players dwell in the Cerebral World.

Never the two shall meet.



Us BJ players would prefer that the zoo be elsewhere.
Martin
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January 23rd, 2011 at 8:38:37 AM permalink
I love craps. I love the sound of it, the smell of it (and sometimes it reeks), the sight of it, the symmetry and absolute depth of color of the table (unless you are downtown where we amuse ourselves making pictures out of the various stains - and trying to guess where they came from). When I went to my very first baseball game (old Yankee Stadium) and walked out into the sunlight I thought I would never see another sight as absolutely glorious as the emerald green of that field - that was up until I saw my first craps layout.

Craps is an emotional game - I too have been known to let out a little "attaboy" when the shooter hit a yo for the second time in a row and I had parlayed a $5 bet on the yo after his first one. Who wouldn't give a little cheer or two after winning $1125 on a $5 fling? (Once I let the bet ride and the guy came back with another yo. I think I might have said something akin to "Glory" in a rather loudish tone of voice).

Blackjack - you can't win that kind of money without risking a lot more at the start. Most BJ players put down a table minimum bet and quite a few cheer when they hit it. I've seen and heard roulette players scream when their number, color, side came up.

Poker players basically are in a war and there's no cheering in war - only crying and I've seen and heard a lot of that.

You can win a lot at a slot machine but there is no social aspect to slots. Talk about grumps - nobody in the slots section gives a crap about your win or loss except your immediate family and the three guys who are trying to figure out how to scam you out of it.

On the other hand the one thing I can't stand, noise-wise in a casino, is when someone hits a big jackpot on a slot machine and it takes the floor person 20 to 30 minutes to make the hand pay. Meanwhile the bells just keep ringing, ringing, ringing. Harrah's AC is notorious for this - the craps pit is right next to a $5 slots section and it seems they are hit more often than anything else in that casino with the possible exception of the whores.
AZDuffman
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January 23rd, 2011 at 9:14:04 AM permalink
Quote: Martin

I love craps. I love the sound of it, the smell of it (and sometimes it reeks), the sight of it, the symmetry and absolute depth of color of the table (unless you are downtown where we amuse ourselves making pictures out of the various stains - and trying to guess where they came from). When I went to my very first baseball game (old Yankee Stadium) and walked out into the sunlight I thought I would never see another sight as absolutely glorious as the emerald green of that field - that was up until I saw my first craps layout.



Craps has driven me crazy for just about 2 years now. Before that I merely looked at the table and shrugged. I didn't know, I moslty didn't want to know. Then I studied it a little and like some kind of 1500s Explorer I kept wanting to know more. I picked up just enough from the dealer we had at the casino nights and the Wiz's board to feel confident enough to step up and make a pass line bet. My buddy was more afraid but gave me $50 to put in play. When I came back with $90+ in 10 minutes he was amazed, though it took him another year to step up no matter how many times I told him all he had to do was pass-line and odds.

Then came taking class and REALLY learning the game. Not making it past audition 2 made it worse, learning to deal it totally efficiently has become a sort-of white whale. Take losers first, pay pass-line base to stick, pay come stick to base. No dirty money. Your brain can go crazy. Then you go to the casino and see two base-dealers doing it and they make it look so easy. You first practice cutting cheques and your hand hurts after an hour. Three weeks later I couldn't relax unless I had a handful of cheques I was cutting. My dexterity gets to the point I can size-in without even looking but I want to cheque-handle even better. I want to be as good as those old-time dealers who could pay off the line bets on a winner while giving directions to the men's room at the same time and get both right. Then I drive somewhere and try to calculate payoffs using license plates as the amount bet. And why?

Sometimes the fun comes in teaching. Last week I really got to spend time teaching one guy. Yet my advice was heavy on, "Trust what the dealers tell you when you bet wrong, they are there to help." At best people can learn 4 bets in one night, one being the field bet that anyone should understand. Yet some get that one wrong. Then there is the mystique of the language. I have taken up comparing it to floor traders on the NYSE. You only realize how well it works when new players don't use it right. We walked a fine line with this kid in showing him enough to keep him out of trouble but not so much to get him in over his head. I have yet to find a regular player who can correctly exlpain much more than half the bets on a normal board. 1/3 or so is usually what they know.

And then there is that ability to, if you want to, explain the game so no human being can understand it at all. PASS-LINE-PLACE-A-BET-HERE-WHEN-THE-PUCK-IS-OFF-AND-ROLL-IF-YOU-GET-7-OR-11-YOU-WIN-IF-YOU-GET-2-3-OR-12-YOU-LOSE-SO-AT-FIRST-SEVEN-IS-GOOD-BUT-ANY-OTHER-NUMBER-BECOMES-THE-POINT-YOU-NEED-TO-GET-THE-POINT-BEFORE-A-SEVEN-SO-THEN-A-SEVEN-IS-BAD-OR-YOU-CAN-PLAY-THE-DON'T-PEOPLE-SAY-YOU-ARE-BETTING-AGAINST-YOURSELF-BUT-YOU-ARE-NOT-YOU-ARE-BETTING-AGAINST-THE-DICE-SO-THE-DON'T-IS-OPPISITE-IF-THE-PUCK-IS-OFF-IF-YOU-GET-7-OR-11-YOU-LOSE-BUT-YOU-ONLY-WIN-ON-A-2-OR-3-A-12-IS-A-PUSH-WHICH-MEANS-NO-MONEY-CHANGES-HANDS-NOW-WHEN-THE-PUCK-IS-ON-YOU-WANT-A-SEVEN-FIRST-SO-FOR-YOU-SEVEN-IS-GOOD-BUT-MOST-PEOPLE-DON'T-PLAY-THIS-WAY-SO-DON'T-GET-EXCITED-WHEN-YOU-WIN. You getting all this? Good. Now about the come bet..............

Finally, in class we were told it used to take five years before you were no longer considered a break-in on the game. No wonder why.
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January 23rd, 2011 at 9:37:00 AM permalink
I agree it's a bit more complex than necessary, but I like it. This complexity adds a perceived element of strategy to what is really just a process of rolling the dice. It sure feels less dumb than a simple "roll above the dealer, house takes 2-2 and 3-3 ties" game would be.
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January 23rd, 2011 at 9:42:05 AM permalink
DeMango

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Some "lucky" shooters ask the dealers to loudly announce 7 outs, and mumble winners. A loud winner produces fleas, and there goes the neighborhood.



You got it right, most of the time the dealers start it out, when they scream out winner, at all the casinos I play at, they scream out the winners, they damn sure don't mumble they.

They want to call in all the Fleas, and as soon as the first on shows up there goes the game!
What you are saying works if you can get the dealers to work with you, the problem is most won't even when you are tipping them good.

We all see screaming at all casino games, I just want to know what some of these people are thinking, I wouldn't want anybody to know that I just won big, at anything!

Not to smart in this bad economy, you might be setting yourself up to get robbed...!
One of the worst screamer I ever heard was at a BJ table, she was screaming with every card that was flipped over it seem like, and had a voice that pierced your ears!

Winning should be done with a smile on your face and that's about it.

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January 23rd, 2011 at 11:12:28 AM permalink
Cheering at a Craps Table is a custom that long out dates me. I just consider it part of the scene.
I would be surprised that a Craps dealer would not want a boisterous crowd. People when having fun tend to be looser with money and tokes.
The Casino should amplify the cheer. To a passer by it gives the impression of winning. Hey if I had a casino I would hire a dozen people to cheer every 3 minutes.
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January 23rd, 2011 at 2:40:04 PM permalink
I prefer the cheer of a hot table to the incessant pinging of the fruit machines... in some casino's it's so loud you can't talk to your friends... I normally walk out of those places. I like to feel comfortable when I sit down to play, not confused and stressed.
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January 23rd, 2011 at 5:06:31 PM permalink
Somebody once told me if you want the screaming to stop, walk up and bet $5 on the Don't Pass line, everybody will get mad at you and forget to yell. Is that true?
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January 23rd, 2011 at 5:22:01 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Somebody once told me if you want the screaming to stop, walk up and bet $5 on the Don't Pass line, everybody will get mad at you and forget to yell. Is that true?


For sure. But you'd better have a pair of solid hardened-steel ones. And I don't mean dice.

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