kewlj
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June 23rd, 2020 at 10:21:06 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Why wouldn't you just go to your favorite casinos management and convince them to only allow patrons with masks? Let the casino decide but don't mandate it for every casino.



It doesn't work that way. You can't "partially" stop the spread. It is all or nothing.

And the nothing will result in rotating closures of casinos, businesses and communities and doing without sports for a far greater time because some people couldn't be bothered wearing a mask and social distancing so we could open up responsibly and ALL get through this with as minimal inconvenience and death as possible.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 10:29:57 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

It doesn't work that way. You can't "partially" stop the spread. It is all or nothing.

And the nothing will result in rotating closures of casinos, businesses and communities and doing without sports for a far greater time because some people couldn't be bothered wearing a mask and social distancing so we could open up responsibly and ALL get through this with as minimal inconvenience and death as possible.



Sorry, but you are just plain wrong. When NY City 'shut down' they did partially stop the spread. Despite massive social distancing, there were still hundreds infected daily without a clear path from whom they got infected. The masks and other social distancing measures have proven to be able to flatten the curve of infection, but in NO WAY has it proven to be effective in stopping the spread. How many new cases are occurring daily in states that require mask use? LOTS!!!!!!!!
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June 23rd, 2020 at 11:02:30 AM permalink
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Sorry, but you are just plain wrong. When NY City 'shut down' they did partially stop the spread. Despite massive social distancing, there were still hundreds infected daily without a clear path from whom they got infected. The masks and other social distancing measures have proven to be able to flatten the curve of infection, but in NO WAY has it proven to be effective in stopping the spread. How many new cases are occurring daily in states that require mask use? LOTS!!!!!!!!



Are you certain social distancing hasn't stopped the spread in NYS?



Based on that graph I would say social distancing and mask wearing works
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June 23rd, 2020 at 11:13:10 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Let people determine their own level of risk. If a business wants to require masks, awesome. The patron can than choose if they want to go to that business or somewhere else. To me it is that simple.



No reason not to revert to smoke ‘em if you got them either.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 11:40:50 AM permalink
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No reason not to revert to smoke ‘em if you got them either.



I am fine with that too if the business allows it,

I really do wish someone is Las Vegas would open a smoke free casino and I hope it is successful.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 12:54:22 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Are you certain social distancing hasn't stopped the spread in NYS?



Based on that graph I would say social distancing and mask wearing works



Yes. I am sure social distancing hasn't STOPPED the spread in NYC. It has decreased the spread, for sure. I would not use a 'positivity rate' for anything. To me the only hard to fudge statistic is number of people in hospital ICUs with COVID-19. There are still new admissions every day in NY. Of course, not nearly as many as a month ago.

You do realize that there are many simultaneous things going on to limit COVID-19 infections, and that mask wearing is only one of them? Are you not sure that the '6 foot rule' isn't more important than masks? Or that limiting number of people in a building isn't more important than mask use? Or that the stupid temperature taking ... (I can't really finish the sentence as I don't believe it of course). Or the increased testing has pulled more people into quarantine thus decreasing spread?

My point is not to argue with you about if wearing masks helps.... I think it does.... and I think it helps you from getting it from someone even if the main purpose is to stop you from transmitting it.

I just think individuals can decide for themselves what risk you want to take. And businesses the same. You can get medicines delivered. You can get food delivered. Decide for yourself if you want to leave your house, or let someone in. Don't stop me from sharing a golf cart.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 1:14:14 PM permalink
I feel like we are talking to a bunch of science and math deniers in this thread. Nobody said wearing a mask will completely stop the spread. Especially the masks that most people are wearing. The spread is like a chain with links. And wearing a mask MAY break some of those links stopping THAT branch of the spread and reducing the spread overall.

The other thing a mask will likely do is reduce viral loads. While people may still get the virus, they will get less of it (a lower viral load), which translates into they will not get as severely sick and a smaller viral load gives the body a better chance to fight off the virus.

There are numerous advantages to wearing a mask that reduce the spread and the severity of illness. I have yet to hear a good reason not to wear a mask, other than "I don't want to and that is my right". Again, that is selfish, because that action effects us all.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 1:48:18 PM permalink
Do you know how easy it would be to have cars fitted with breathalyzers to prevent a driver from driving drunk? Can I assume you are appalled that we do not have that law? Ten thousand lives saved a year? And that is not just the drivers of course, but everyone else they mow down. I've already railed on second hand smoke. If we made sugared beverages illegal we'd probably save more lives than any other action I've mentioned.

I want the government to do some things for public health/public safety, and most of it would be in education.

My best friend from college died yesterday. His wife now has to pick which 20 people are allowed to attend his funeral. Someone has decided that 20 people at a graveside with masks on is safe. But 21 is not safe. 200 people in Wegman's all touching the same groceries is safe. 21 people at a graveside wearing masks is not.

Let people decide for themselves what risks they are willing to accept.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 2:06:37 PM permalink
First, my condolences on the loss of your friend SOOPOO.

Now to your last line. I object to your last line because people deciding what risks they are willing to accept, EFFECTS ME.

Let's fast forward here in Vegas. With the spike likely coming, I expect Casinos and most businesses to be shut down again before Labor day. When (not if) that happens, and we return to stay at home orders of March and April, people will be bitching like hell. But it will be for one reason, people refused to be responsible....right from the very night the casinos re-opened at midnight. Packed crowds on Fremont street, almost none wearing facemasks.

Same with Sports. When September rolls around and there is no NFL or college football this year, it will be for one reason only....people couldn't be bothered to open responsibly and follow recommendations by the experts.

I am sorry but I will be pissed without football, locked up in my home all fall and winter, because people think it is their right to put everyone else at risk.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 2:16:19 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Do you know how easy it would be to have cars fitted with breathalyzers to prevent a driver from driving drunk? Can I assume you are appalled that we do not have that law? Ten thousand lives saved a year? And that is not just the drivers of course, but everyone else they mow down. I've already railed on second hand smoke. If we made sugared beverages illegal we'd probably save more lives than any other action I've mentioned.

I want the government to do some things for public health/public safety, and most of it would be in education.

My best friend from college died yesterday. His wife now has to pick which 20 people are allowed to attend his funeral. Someone has decided that 20 people at a graveside with masks on is safe. But 21 is not safe. 200 people in Wegman's all touching the same groceries is safe. 21 people at a graveside wearing masks is not.

Let people decide for themselves what risks they are willing to accept.



Condolences as well.

Isn't that an argument most drug users and drug dealers would use?

Why can't a cocaine user decide for himself if he wants to use?

Right now his using cocaine is safer for the community than people spreading Coronavirus imo.

Government does take a role in protecting people including from themselves.
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