kewlj
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June 22nd, 2020 at 12:41:09 PM permalink
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Rumors are masks may become much less optional soon.



Should have been that way since day 1 of re-opening. It is ridiculous that people are thinking it is their "right" to not wear a mask in a casino. How many businesses have a no shirt, no shoes, no service policy? No one argues that is violating any rights.

Casinos are not an essential business. Just as sporting events and concerts aren't. As much as it pains me, I don't think we are going to see sports any time soon. People should have been willing to wear masks in casinos in the hopes that would be enough to allow for continued operation. IF casinos have to be shut down yet again, it will be a mess and likely for a very long time. All because people didn't want to wear a mask?

I don't like wearing a mask. We are all inconvenienced. I was sick for the better part of a month (April). THAT was pretty inconvenient! People laying in hospitals for months on a ventilator and even dying....hell THEY are inconvenienced! Nick Cordero, 37 year old healthy actor, in a coma for several months, leg amputated....He is F***ing inconvenienced! This virus which so called experts still don't know much about, doesn't give a damn who thinks they are inconvenienced. Until we get a grip on this, wearing a mask is just like wearing pants. Don't tell us how inconvenient it is. People are just being selfish and self centered.
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June 22nd, 2020 at 3:23:09 PM permalink
I arrived to Las Vegas (staying at Cosmopolitan) last night. My initial synopsis :

Though less crowded, the casino floor seems somewhat ďnormalĒ to me. Masks are required at the craps table here, though Itís fine to lift it while drinking or smoking. I went to the pool a couple hours ago and it was quite full, just like usual times.

Surprisingly, I havenít seen a craps table under $25, even this morning. Normally there would be some $15 tables until about 7pm, even on weekends

Outside, the strip itself still looks deserted, relatively speaking. I drove down LV Boulevard and thereís no traffic at all. Few people walking. I like being able to easily drive down the strip
Itís all about making that GTA
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June 22nd, 2020 at 4:24:08 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Should have been that way since day 1 of re-opening. It is ridiculous that people are thinking it is their "right" to not wear a mask in a casino. How many businesses have a no shirt, no shoes, no service policy? No one argues that is violating any rights.



I agree completely that it makes sense to wear a mask. It makes common sense. My personal choice is to wear one in situations where I decide that it's appropriate.

I disagree that it's the role of government to determine whether or not I should wear one inside a private establishment.

I would be complete;y okay with two competing casinos, next door or across the street, to independently decide whether or not their customers had to wear masks: where, when, what kind, what color. One casino says "always, everywhere (no shirts, no shoes, no mask, no service") and the other one says "What? Me Worry? Come on in!". You and I could decide which casino we wanted to visit. We might possibly decide to visit the same one.

"No shirts, no pants, whatever" are business decisions arrived at by casino ownership. Those offended either way - whether you like pants or not - can choose to frequent or avoid whichever establishment chooses to adopt whichever rule. Refuse to wear pants when that's the rule and the casino can refuse you entrance to their property. Without having any hard and fast numbers, my impression is that no casino in Las Vegas decided, on its own, to strictly require mask-wearing prior to the State of Nevada requiring it. Maybe some did - I don't know for sure. But just like shoes and shirts, prior to the state's action any casino that wanted to could have done so.

There are situations everywhere in the real world where people around you make bad decisions that impact you. Masks are just one of a bunch of other decision-points in life where what other people do makes a difference. As a responsible, reasoning individual, at every single one of those points, you too get to decide, freely, what to do.

Smoke, Eat fatty foods. Exercise. Watch the news. Get married. Don't get married.

Wear a mask. Don't wear a mask.

Go into a casino. Walk on by.
kewlj
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June 22nd, 2020 at 4:45:22 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

I disagree that it's the role of government to determine whether or not I should wear one inside a private establishment.



Under "normal" times, yes your argument is fine. These are NOT normal times. I mean how do your feel about the government closing 90% of businesses and issuing a stay at home order? Who would have thought we would ever see such a thing?

So my fear is that in a couple weeks some of us will be facing a second shutdown / stay at home order. And the reason will be because people couldn't handle re-opening 'responsibly'. Wearing a mask until this crisis resolves....oh how terrible.

And I am not directing that at you. I read that YOU choose to wear a mask in public places around other people as I do. But these people (and Vegas is full of them) that absolutely refuse to wear a mask and will lead to a second probably longer mandatory shutdown....That makes no sense to me. This unique viral emergency is not over. It will not be over until a vaccine is discovered. THAT is when we can get back to normal. Until then we can have some sense of normalcy with some activities WITH precautions, like wearing masks and reduced occupancy.
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June 22nd, 2020 at 8:03:01 PM permalink
Let people determine their own level of risk. If a business wants to require masks, awesome. The patron can than choose if they want to go to that business or somewhere else. To me it is that simple.
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June 22nd, 2020 at 8:32:55 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Let people determine their own level of risk. If a business wants to require masks, awesome. The patron can than choose if they want to go to that business or somewhere else. To me it is that simple.



The problem is people's irresponsibility has consequences to others. It isn't like someone deciding to smoke (forget second hand smoke for a minute) or stuff themselves full of fatty foods and weight 400 lbs. Those actions effect the person making the bad decision. But this decision to not wear a mask effect other innocent people.

Someone decides not to wear a mask and gets sick and then brings that home to my mother, or to you or your family members or friends.
So innocent people get sick because people couldn't be bothered to do something as simple as wear a mask to break the chain of infection.

On top of that, cases soar. Next thing you know, Governor Sisolak is shutting down everything again. That effects ME, not just the idiots refusing to wear a mask because it is their right not to.
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June 22nd, 2020 at 8:38:36 PM permalink
At Red Rock smoking at the craps tables is not allowed because of the new mask rules. But they let you enjoy your drink. But unless you're sipping, nose and mouth must be covered. Players, even shooters, not covering their nose are told to do so.
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June 23rd, 2020 at 8:30:57 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj



Someone decides not to wear a mask and gets sick and then brings that home to my mother, or to you or your family members or friends.
So innocent people get sick because people couldn't be bothered to do something as simple as wear a mask to break the chain of infection.

On top of that, cases soar. Next thing you know, Governor Sisolak is shutting down everything again. That effects ME, not just the idiots refusing to wear a mask because it is their right not to.



I think that kind of makes my point. Your mother can determine who she trusts to be around. The most cautious person will choose to solely isolate, the most liberal can choose to completely associate with other like themselves. If a business owner requires masks then only people that agree with it can go there, you and your Mom will feel safer there. I will mainly choose to go to places that don't require a mask and myself and your Mom will probably not be hanging out together.
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kewlj
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June 23rd, 2020 at 8:44:51 AM permalink
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I will mainly choose to go to places that don't require a mask and myself and your Mom will probably not be hanging out together.



That is a pretty irresponsible comment and thought, DRich. What if she happens to be behind you in line at the grocery store? Or you get infected and spread it to the mailman or anyone else, who spreads it to my mom?

This whole thing is about breaking the chain of infection. That is what people screaming about THEIR rights (not to wear a mask) simply don't get. Like I have said before, what good is it having experts in science, medicine and disease control if you refuse to listen to them?

It isn't like people are being asked for some major sacrifice. They are being asked to wear a mask for god sakes. People unwilling to do so are flat out selfish (IMO)
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June 23rd, 2020 at 8:49:15 AM permalink
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That is a pretty irresponsible comment and thought, DRich. What if she happens to be behind you in line at the grocery store? Or you get infected and spread it to the mailman or anyone else, who spreads it to my mom?



If the store requires masks then I will be wearing a mask. If they don't require a mask and your Mom is concerned why is she at that store and not one that requires masks?
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