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June 19th, 2020 at 12:57:07 PM permalink
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China is beginning to shutdown again as a new outbreak strikes

Arizona restaurants seeing spike including Zipps restaurant which made a big deal that they refused to allow any employees or patrons to wear masks as a statement of their freedom.

Oh, gee, now their employees are coming back infected.

Geniuses

BTW, Arizona governor just ordered mandatory face masks in public.



And moments later, several Sheriffs said they weren't going to enforce it.

BTW- the Sheriff of Pinal County, next door to me, is having a rough time. Not only did he lose his gig on Cops Live or whatever it was called, but it turns out the man who publicly said it was a hoax tested positive and is in quarantine.
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June 19th, 2020 at 10:31:15 PM permalink
I really don't get why the wearing of masks has become so political. Stupid comments like "this is America, you can't force me to wear a mask." Do you put on pants everyday? I don't see people fighting that. ??

I am not crazy about wearing masks. Just feels uncomfortable. When I wear sunglasses, they get fogged up. But if wearing masks can help stop or slow the spread of this virus, so that we can have some semblance of normalcy to life, then I am all for it. AND I am someone who has had the virus, recovered, has antibodies, so I shouldn't (<-???) be able to get the virus again and/or pass it to anyone and I am still willing to wear a mask.

The best and smartest people in science and medicine tell us that wearing a mask makes a difference, especially indoors and crowded spaces. What the hell good is it having the best and smartest people in science and medicine if you refuse to listen to them because you think wearing a mask looks dumb. I think losing people to this virus that we didn't need to makes us all look dumb.

So back to the original topic of this thread. Last night coming home from the lake I stopped at a casino just south of the strip, to play some free play and cash in some chips. On the way home I decided to take the strip which I usually avoid. Just very few people out walking on the strip. I realize some the casinos aren't yet open, but that sure didn't resemble the strip that I know. I am guessing people are still reluctant to fly and that is what the strip needs to get back to normal (as opposed to Downtown and some of the local casinos). That may not happen for a while.
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June 19th, 2020 at 10:49:00 PM permalink
https://youtu.be/L8Ryh85Wd8Q
19min 17sec
International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, investigates the real science behind wearing face masks, discusses the dangers and explains why he won't be wearing a mask.

The experts lie. The fact checkers lie too. Dr. Coleman doesn't take any money, so I trust him, but these days, who can anyone trust?

Watch this fact-check on fact checking, just out tonight, and this is from another guy that I think I can trust because I've been watching hm religiously since 2009...
https://youtu.be/rtirKL_XmGg
54min 18sec

I refuse to wear a mask, I have not warn one yet.
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June 19th, 2020 at 11:29:30 PM permalink
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https://youtu.be/L8Ryh85Wd8Q
19min 17sec
International best-selling author, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, investigates the real science behind wearing face masks, discusses the dangers and explains why he won't be wearing a mask.

The experts lie. The fact checkers lie too. Dr. Coleman doesn't take any money, so I trust him, but these days, who can anyone trust?

Watch this fact-check on fact checking, just out tonight, and this is from another guy that I think I can trust because I've been watching hm religiously since 2009...
https://youtu.be/rtirKL_XmGg
54min 18sec

I refuse to wear a mask, I have not warn one yet.



So you recommend taking the expertise of a "former general practitioner," educated solely at Queen Mary's Grammar School, who hasn't actually practiced medicine in 40 years, over Fauci and Osterholm and other credentialed lifelong epidemiologists?

Nothing like quality advice....

I recommend whoever is monitoring these posts seriously reign in the out in left field coronavirus advice. You're dealing with lives here, not the latest roulette scam.

The recommended doctor dude's Wikipedia page has been flagged for ostensibly being written by someone close to the subject. Lovely.
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June 20th, 2020 at 12:30:27 AM permalink
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So you recommend taking the expertise of a "former general practitioner," educated solely at Queen Mary's Grammar School, who hasn't actually practiced medicine in 40 years, over Fauci and Osterholm and other credentialed lifelong epidemiologists?

Nothing like quality advice....

I recommend whoever is monitoring these posts seriously reign in the out in left field coronavirus advice. You're dealing with lives here, not the latest roulette scam.

The recommended doctor dude's Wikipedia page has been flagged for ostensibly being written by someone close to the subject. Lovely.




How can anyone believe anything Fauci says after he has changed his position on this very topic 3 times, and lied again and again about everything that happened?

Did you actually listen to the 19 minute lecture? He simple goes over several accredited papers and studies on the topic, and then he tries to form an educated opinion based upon facts, not lies, not politics. I am certain that he can read a paper just as well as Fauci, who btw, is a paid shill and a know liar. I also mentioned in my post that people in positions of power always lie, and to worry about how the fact checkers themselves lie. And yet, you went ahead and used a so-called fact checker to dispute the credibility of someone you didn't even bother to listen to. And you obviously did that without watching the second video I pointed you to. Then you throw up your arms and cry about "out of left field" advice?

The only real danger here is sheeple with blinders on who believe everything they hear from the mainstream media, which you obviously worship, kneel down to and follow without question. YOU ARE THE REAL DANGER HERE.

In fact, improper wearing of masks IS DANGEROUS in and of itself, and > 95% of the public, at large improperly use masks! I know this because I am a certified and registered respiratory therapist, CURRENTLY ACCREDITED AND ON CALL FOR VOLUNTEER DUTY at Detroit Medical Center. I have studied these topics, and have had to wear protective gear myself, and have actually been trained how to do it for COVID-19. If you bothered to listen to Vernon, you would know that, for one thing, masks are DISPOSABLE, and/or ONLY MEANT TO BE WORN ONE TIME ONLY! Non-disposable surgical masks are meant to be washed and sanitized between every use. Without even getting into the dozen or so other facts quoted by Coleman, that one fact alone should tell you that the public at large is improperly using masks... OK, Mr. deep-research, see what see what your boy Fauchi actually says about the improper use of masks, and then ask yourself if they're really safe for the public. Or, ask any doctor or medical people that you know this same exact question about the IMPROPER use of masks. Have you done that? I'm gonna guess that you are not qualified to determine this on your own, and that you're just echoing narratives you heard on CNN, MSNBC and NPR. Am I right? Be honest.

How can you possibly believe what Fauchi, Burns, the CDC or the WHO call "SCIENCE" once they declared that the virus is life threatening, unless you want to go and protest for BLM? How in the world can you call that SCIENCE and sit here and quote that as reliable sources?

Marty Wollner BS, CRTT, RRT
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June 20th, 2020 at 12:53:34 AM permalink
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How can anyone believe anything Fauci says after he has changed his position on this very topic 3 times, and lied again and again about everything that happened?

Did you actually listen to the 19 minute lecture? He simple goes over several accredited papers and studies on the topic, and then he tries to form an educated opinion based upon facts, not lies, not politics. I am certain that he can read a paper just as well as Fauci, who btw, is a paid shill and a know liar. I also mentioned in my post that people in positions of power always lie, and to worry about how the fact checkers themselves lie. And yet, you went ahead and used a so-called fact checker to dispute the credibility of someone you didn't even bother to listen to. And you obviously did that without watching the second video I pointed you to. Then you throw up your arms and cry about "out of left field" advice?

The only real danger here is sheeple with blinders on who believe everything they hear from the mainstream media, which you obviously worship, kneel down to and follow without question. YOU ARE THE REAL DANGER HERE.

In fact, improper wearing of masks IS DANGEROUS in and of itself, and > 95% of the public, at large improperly use masks! I know this because I am a certified and registered respiratory therapist, CURRENTLY ACCREDITED AND ON CALL FOR VOLUNTEER DUTY at Detroit Medical Center. I have studied these topics, and have had to wear protective gear myself, and have actually been trained how to do it for COVID-19. If you bothered to listen to Vernon, you would know that, for one thing, masks are DISPOSABLE, and/or ONLY MEANT TO BE WORN ONE TIME ONLY! Non-disposable surgical masks are meant to be washed and sanitized between every use. Without even getting into the dozen or so other facts quoted by Coleman, that one fact alone should tell you that the public at large is improperly using masks... OK, Mr. deep-research, see what see what your boy Fauchi actually says about the improper use of masks, and then ask yourself if they're really safe for the public. Or, ask any doctor or medical people that you know this same exact question about the IMPROPER use of masks. Have you done that? I'm gonna guess that you are not qualified to determine this on your own, and that you're just echoing narratives you heard on CNN, MSNBC and NPR. Am I right? Be honest.

How can you possibly believe what Fauchi, Burns, the CDC or the WHO call "SCIENCE" once they declared that the virus is life threatening, unless you want to go and protest for BLM? How in the world can you call that SCIENCE and sit here and quote that as reliable sources?

Marty Wollner BS, CRTT, RRT



The politics of your post is seeping through the mask
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June 20th, 2020 at 1:13:10 AM permalink
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The politics of your post is seeping through the mask



Sorry, I don't agree, I'm approaching it strictly from a medical perspective, and pointing out that, what the public has been told about face masks is not scientific; THAT is pure politics and lies. Did you listen to Dr. Coleman's video? Do you understand what I'm talking about when I say "improper use"? Did anyone look at what Fauci himself says about the improper use of masks being far more dangerous than using no masks at all? Do you doubt that 95% of the public are using masks improperly? Why is this so hard to comprehend?

The long-term use of masks and/or the improper use of masks is far more dangerous than no masks at all. PERIOD.

I feel it is essential to warn people about it from a public-health point-of-veiw. Please don't shoot the messenger of the truth... at least you can listen and try forming an opinion yourselves.
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June 20th, 2020 at 1:58:24 AM permalink
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The politics of your post is seeping through the mask

I have no clue if he is right or wrong, however, he's adding information to the discussion from unique perspective of someone who's actually in the trenches(assuming you believe he does what he says he does). If nothing else, he's bringing up some valid points and information to think about and research yourself. I don't think he deserves that comment. I'd like to hear more of what he has to say.

We can ask him how craps DI is going later 😉
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June 20th, 2020 at 5:04:35 AM permalink
There is SOME truth in what discflicker reports. I have worn these N-95 masks for years, HATING them when I had to. But I preferred the unpleasantness to TB. I am sure a large part of the populace wearing them are not doing so properly. As far as the cloth masks, or regular surgical masks, I would say the risks to wearing them have to be extremely low. I have worn one for multiple hours a day for the last 35 years. There is no way you can convince me that this respiratory disease is not somewhat decreased in its spread by requiring masks in public, there is no way you can convince me that it is close to 100% effective, either.

Second hand smoke IS 100% a danger to the public. No ifs, ands, or buts...... If we really care about protecting the public, how is smoking allowed in public?
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