When will this be over?
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Quote: SOOPOOZERO chance. How about that? Some areas will just be BEGINNING the worst of it around then.
I agree.
Cuomo on tv saying they desperately need equipment, 80% of New Yorkers could get infected, and they’re about a week away from letting people die who could’ve otherwise been saved.. and at the same time you know who is talking about ending the restrictions.
Quote: onenickelmiracleMaybe at some point, everyone under 45 allowed out, over 45 or with health conditions stay in homes. Every week or 2, the age goes up 7 years. Then eventually cases small enough no overloading. Oh, and when you go out, you have to kiss 7 random strangers. Lol. Something like this could work if it wasn't unconstitutional.
Colleague is watching a previously healthy 45 year old die from this. Patient is now placed face down on ventilator as oxygen level improved slightly in that position. Google ARDS if you want details.
Also remember that the youngsters who do get it will spread it to their older relatives, building mates, workmates.
Quote: SOOPOOColleague is watching a previously healthy 45 year old die from this. Patient is now placed face down on ventilator as oxygen level improved slightly in that position. Google ARDS if you want details.
Also remember that the youngsters who do get it will spread it to their older relatives, building mates, workmates.
Yes this is terrible, but also an exception. The risks are there whether you act or not, not acting, you lose, acting, you lose. You just have to decide on what's important, what's the best strategy. Unfortunately Trump isn't reading here or you would hear. They're going to come up with another plan and it will probably be riskier than anything I've said, Making sure almost everyone under a certain age has been exposed, whatever the certain age being exposed to calculate not overloading the health care system, because a smaller percentage of these people would not need extreme care, it would drastically reduce the amount spread to anyone really vulnerable. If someone wanted to just wait for the herd immunity, they could do that. We just have to wait and see what these spring breakers have done already.
The entire thing could work in reality, and there would be a lot less people to even spread to anyone older if such a thing was introduced. People tend to be greedy and selfish, cannot follow instructions, there would be people screwing the plan up. If only we knew who has been sick and who hasn't, there seems to be a lot of people who are telling themselves, they have been sick, and nobody really knows. I am aware about the social interaction between older people and younger people and how in many cases, they already live together and would have to be disciplined, we would have to open up completely vacant hotels for them to stay in.
There are a lot of very, obese young people in this country. Obesity and diabetes are factors. I really haven't heard about the vaping mattering, it shouldn't unless it has caused a health problem. Man, I can't blame the Chinese for this one, have to blame Coke and Pepsi and Pepperidge Farms.Quote: billryanAbout a third of hospital cases in the U.S. involve people under 50. The patterns in the U.S. are tracking different from the rest of the world, and one thing which stands out so far is that many of the younger people who get sick vape. It's far too small a sample to draw any real conclusion, although some people are latching on to a much smaller samplings for reasons of their own.
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Coronavirus (COVID-19) response update
To better support customers age 60 and up, our stores will host a special shopping hour from 6 am to 7 am every Tuesday, Mar. 24 through Apr. 28. It will start one hour before stores open to the public, and pharmacies will be available during this time, as well. Vision centers will also be open to help with emergency and essential needs only.
They at least are planning on things being like this for some time. Personally, they should have more than one day a week for them imo. One hour isn't enough time for them to find what they need and visit the pharmacy.
We haven't even STARTED dealing with this in Oklahoma yet. Schools are closed, some businesses are closed, but we've had no official stay-at-home orders anywhere in the state, tons of people still out and about (mostly elderly from what I've seen), tons of people still going to work (all ages), less than 100 confirmed cases, "only" two deaths...
We're probably at least a week or two away from actually having to deal with this for real, and the powers-that-be want us to be back to normal by then? Fat chance. We're still months away from normal, folks....
WOW. Did you decide to not be one of them? Did you tell your boss you're not coming to work?Quote: TigerWu"Reopen".... Hah!
We haven't even STARTED dealing with this in Oklahoma yet. Schools are closed, some businesses are closed, but we've had no official stay-at-home orders anywhere in the state, tons of people still out and about (mostly elderly from what I've seen), tons of people still going to work (all ages), less than 100 confirmed cases, "only" two deaths...
We're probably at least a week or two away from actually having to deal with this for real, and the powers-that-be want us to be back to normal by then? Fat chance. We're still months away from normal, folks....
Quote: onenickelmiracleWOW. Did you decide to not be one of them? Did you tell your boss you're not coming to work?
I've been working part-time. I go from the parking lot straight to my office, close the door, sit there alone all day, and then straight back to the parking lot at the end of the day. I suspect a state-wide or at least city-wide shutdown is coming in the next week or so, anyway. If it doesn't then I probably will call up and say, "See you in a few months."
That's the scary thing, you walking to your office and out the door is where all the risk is. Wrap your face in 5 tshirts or a scarf.Quote: TigerWuI've been working part-time. I go from the parking lot straight to my office, close the door, sit there alone all day, and then straight back to the parking lot at the end of the day. I suspect a state-wide or at least city-wide shutdown is coming in the next week or so, anyway. If it doesn't then I probably will call up and say, "See you in a few months."
Quote: AxelWolfDoes long grass facilitate the spread of Coronavirus? If so, that would explain why the Mexicans are out in full force mowing lawns today.
Open air is safe.
Quote: AxelWolfDoes long grass facilitate the spread of Coronavirus? If so, that would explain why the Mexicans are out in full force mowing lawns today.
I'm not sure. I've never tried long grass, but if this drought keeps up, I'll smoke anything.
Quote: ams288I live in Michigan. We have an stay at home order starting tonight until April 13th.
I’d be interested to know how this March 31st idea would work here...
According to the guidelines I can take
walks, go to the grocery store and
pharmacy, visit sick friends, go to work
in a ton of different categories, go to
fast food drive thru's. Sounds almost
normal to me.
Quote: TigerWu"Reopen".... Hah!
We haven't even STARTED dealing with this in Oklahoma yet. .
Nobody wanted to live in OK, it's
why we sent all the Indians there.
It's why we waited till 1907 to
make it a state. Now even the
virus won't go there.
Quote: onenickelmiracleMaybe at some point, everyone under 45 allowed out, over 45 or with health conditions stay in homes. Every week or 2, the age goes up 7 years. Then eventually cases small enough no overloading. Oh, and when you go out, you have to kiss 7 random strangers. Lol. Something like this could work if it wasn't unconstitutional.
Why would it be safe or healthy or a good idea for those under 45 to start going back to normal and begin spreading this amongst themselves? And it would most likely spread even faster than its happened during the restrictions and quarantine
Quote: MintyIt's quite possible that we'll start to see a reduction in the rate of new cases, people will jump to the conclusion that hat things are almost back to normal and then we'll ruin it by stopping the practice of social distancing/shut downs.
If people follow the simplest requirements now, and keep following them, fewer will have any need for more severe measures.
I saw a report in Italy where one official was saying if people kept going out for no reason he was sending officials with flamethrowers. (probably hyperbole)
The most likely to survive and the most likely to spread it would be eliminated. Obviously it is almost certain if you had this virus, you won't get it again and there won't be a mutation worthy enough yet. These younger people would have a much lower frequency of needing hospitalization, not as much burden. Then since they are young, assumed, they have more contact with other people normally, would be harder for any active infections to be spread. Then if someone older or younger with health conditions got it, hospital loads not over capacity. It would work except these people live with older people and you would have to take children from their parents. So that would be the plan, make sure everyone gets it not in high risks groups, then the virus could only spread amongst higher and higher risk groups. Eventually the 60s bracket and up could only get it from others in their bracket or older.Quote: michael99000Why would it be safe or healthy or a good idea for those under 45 to start going back to normal and begin spreading this amongst themselves? And it would most likely spread even faster than its happened during the restrictions and quarantine
So it's a plan that would work, but it's impractical, and relies on people understanding their roles and responsibilities. It would be cheaper than a stimulus..and cut the duration.
Quote: AxelWolfDoes long grass facilitate the spread of Coronavirus? If so, that would explain why the Mexicans are out in full force mowing lawns today.
I don't know where you live, but where I am the weather is gorgeous today. Perfect yard weather.
Quote: EvenBobNobody wanted to live in OK, it's
why we sent all the Indians there.
It's why we waited till 1907 to
make it a state. Now even the
virus won't go there.
I don't want to live here, either, but the cost of living can't be beat. I'm saving up my money to retire somewhere nicer.
EDIT: Finally happened... Oklahoma governor just issued a partial shutdown. Counties with confirmed cases are stay-at-home starting tomorrow at midnight for 21 days. Looks like I'll have a lot of free time coming up!
The people from the US who died took medicine for fish, and now they sleep with them.
Quote: rxwineI think Florida beaches are now closed.
I think it's still county by county. As are curfews. I could be wrong, as things change by the minute.
One thing occurred to me as a former New Yorker...as there isn't enough masks, ventilators, etc. for the hospital patients and staff this whole thing will decimate the bum, hobo, wino (a.k.a. Homeless) population in all major metropolitan areas.
Do you want to know who'll get the best care the moment it's needed that you wouldn't suspect? Federal Prisoners. Every time I've even been to a chemo center (not for myself thank goodness) there's always one chained to a chair in his orange jumpsuit with a guard who' s half asleep and getting his treatment via your tax money.
They're turning that into a 2000 bed virus hospital. Pretty good idea, really. It's a beautiful convention center with lots of bathrooms.
I heard they're doing the same thing in NYC with the Jacob Javits Center, but I haven't been there, or had my game spread there, so it doesn't hit me with quite the same personal impact.
Javits Center is being turned into four smaller hospitals, but wouldn't be getting virus victims. At least not just yet. This and the Navy Hospital ship when it arrives in just a few short weeks will take regular patients out of hospital so those wards are be made into ICUs.
All the downstate hospitals are greatly expanding their beds. Cafeterias and gift shops are being converted, even Doctors offices.
They are attempting to convert ventilators so they can be used on two people at a time but that is very dangerous. The settings are supposed to be set for each patients individual needs and capacities.
Quote: billryanIn Spain, they turned an ice skating arena into a makeshift morgue.
Javits Center is being turned into four smaller hospitals, but wouldn't be getting virus victims. At least not just yet. This and the Navy Hospital ship when it arrives in just a few short weeks will take regular patients out of hospital so those wards are be made into ICUs.
All the downstate hospitals are greatly expanding their beds. Cafeterias and gift shops are being converted, even Doctors offices.
They are attempting to convert ventilators so they can be used on two people at a time but that is very dangerous. The settings are supposed to be set for each patients individual needs and capacities.
As someone who has used a ventilator my whole life, it never would have occurred to me to even think of using a single ventilator on two separate patients. If anyone is interested, I'll relay a story of when we've used TWO ventilators on ONE patient.
Imagine that you have a bad infection in one lung, but the other lung is doing ok. WEewant to "isolate" the bad lung from the good one. So we have a special endotracheal tube (double lumen tube) that we use. Each lumen will ventilate only one of the lungs. This way you can set the ventilator for each lung independently. Presumably, as the bad lung gets better, the settings are changed. With the hope of eventually needing just one setting, and thus just one ventilator. With of course the ultimate goal of not needing any ventilator.
Quote: LovecompsPresident Trump was just on the news and said that it would be gone, and stores running, by Easter.
That's not at all what he said, but believe what you want.
Quote: beachbumbabsExCel Centre is ... into a 2000 virus hospital. Pretty good idea, really.
All the universities are doing electronic classrooms, so the dorms are all empty. Dormitories already have beds. Less critical patients could perhaps recover there, freeing more hospital space.
Quote: LovecompsPresident Trump was just on the news and said that it would be gone, and stores running, by Easter.
This is a goddam political lie and
should not be allowed here.
Where are the mods.
Quote: EvenBobThis is a goddam political lie and
should not be allowed here.
Where are the mods.
Which part is the lie?
He’s been saying it would soon be gone for months.
Quote:On Feb. 26, he said: “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” On Feb. 29, he said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly” and praised his administration’s actions as “the most aggressive taken by any country.” None of these claims were true.
On March 10, he promised: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
And he’s obviously pushing to get things back open by Easter. Said that many times over the past couple of days.
