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rawtuff
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March 14th, 2020 at 12:26:06 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

When it kills 1% of the population I will start taking it seriously.



Remember these words as you're starting taking it seriously way earlier than that.
Estimations are it may kill off about 2 % to 2.5 % of the population in an year or so depending on many factors of course.
The socio-economic impact on yours, mine and everyone else's life will be impossible to ignore even before it kills 0.1% of the population.
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March 14th, 2020 at 12:29:39 PM permalink
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March 14th, 2020 at 1:27:46 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Can retired Doctors be called back, either voluntarily or by an act of government in a health emergency?



I don't think I can be compelled to work as I am essentially just a private citizen.

When I was employed at my Level I Trauma Center we did have a Disaster Plan where we all could be called in 24/7 essentially. If there were some disaster affecting my ex partners and I was asked to work again I would likely do so. I still have my license active.

One thought I've had recently is if it becomes like Italy and there are not enough ventilators, each OR has an anesthesia machine, which is essentially a ventilator that has additional bells and whistles to be able to ventilate and keep someone asleep. At my ex hospital that is 17 additional ventilators that could be used in a crisis situation. It would require a lot of manpower as each one would require a dedicated person to stay with each OR ventilator.

In a true disaster, a human squeezing an ambu-bag can substitute for a ventilator.
EvenBob
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March 14th, 2020 at 2:54:25 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

When it kills 1% of the population I will start taking it seriously.



It'll never kill that many of the
population, it kills people over
50, especially over 75. And
there are a helluva lot of people
under 50 than over 50. The vast
majority will never get it & never
know it when they do.

Until 1900, the major cause of death
in the elderly wasn't heart attacks
or strokes. It was infectious disease.
As far back as you want to got in
any society. It's natures way to
thin out the herd. Doctors were
never rich till they figured out how
to prolong the lives of the their
richest patients, the elderly. Then
it was gravy train time. How many
times have I reported here they
got all of my wife's parents half a million
in assets in nothing flat. That's chump
change compared to what some of
these old farts are worth.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
TumblingBones
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March 14th, 2020 at 3:45:38 PM permalink
I just got this passed to me by my sister and thought it worth passing on. This is the advice the folks who run the Stanford Univ. Hospital are giving their staff. Some of the recommendations are ones I haven't heard anywhere else.


*EDIT BY MOD: ONCEDEAR:-
THIS CIRCULATION IS AN INTERNET HOAX : IT DID NOT COME FROM STANFORD HOSPITAL BOARD.
IT IS MISINFORMATION! DO NOT RE-CIRCULATE !


Quote: NOT* Stanford Hospital Board


From members of the Stanford hospital board; This is their feedback for now on preventive measures to take against the Coronavirus: 
 
The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. 
 
Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.
 
Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.
 
IMPORTANT tips - CORONAVIRUS
 
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! 
11. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

Last edited by: unnamed administrator on Mar 14, 2020
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billryan
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March 14th, 2020 at 3:54:19 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

I just got this passed to me by my sister and thought it worth passing on. This is the advice the folks who run the Stanford Univ. Hospital are giving their staff. Some of the recommendations are ones I haven't heard anywhere else.




Internet nonsense thats been floating around for months. If it dies at 26/27 degrees, how would it survive in the human body which is 37 degrees.
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March 14th, 2020 at 4:08:58 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

I just got this passed to me by my sister and thought it worth passing on. This is the advice the folks who run the Stanford Univ. Hospital are giving their staff. Some of the recommendations are ones I haven't heard anywhere else.



Confirmed as a hoax: https://www.lamag.com/article/coronavirus-hoax-stanford/

Obvious from the second line. No way you will have that much lung damage prior to symptoms presenting.
TumblingBones
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March 14th, 2020 at 4:56:11 PM permalink
Well that's embarrassing. Serve's me right for trusting my sister.
My goal of being well informed conflicts with my goal of remaining sane.
AxelWolf
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March 14th, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Well that's embarrassing. Serve's me right for trusting my sister.

As a general rule, sister's are the worst people to get information from.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 14th, 2020 at 5:07:55 PM permalink
*EDIT BY MOD: ONCEDEAR:-
THIS CIRCULATION IS AN INTERNET HOAX : IT DID NOT COME FROM STANFORD HOSPITAL BOARD.
IT IS MISINFORMATION! DO NOT RE-CIRCULATE !

Good job OD for staying on top of it and setting us straight. I've upgraded/ downgraded your worst Mod ever status to 3rd or 4th 😁
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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