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TumblingBones
TumblingBones
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March 14th, 2020 at 7:54:30 AM permalink
I have what my doc refers to as a 'compromised immune system" due to a lower than normal white cell count that is a side effect of going thru chemo about 6 years ago. It's not that big an issue as it has not prevented me from doing anything I really want to do (e.e, going to a casino, eating in restaurants) but I have gotten in the habit of doing pretty much everything they are now recommending folks do to deal with COVID-19. For example, I always have a small bottle of Purell in my pocket and would use it in a restaurant just before eating to eliminate any germs I might have picked up from handling the menu. I also try very hard to remember not to touch my face when out in public. My wife if very hard-core about eliminating germs from the surface of any groceries brought into the house. For example, wiping down with iso-propyl alcohol the containers of all the Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia I like to buy (FYI, my#2 favorite is Americone Dream). If it's something in a plastic bag (e., hot dog buns) she throws out the original bag and puts it in a zip-loc. Bottom line is that if it was handled by the check-out clerk it's considered to be a potential source of contamination. She also wears disposable gloves while doing all this. All considered, I've got nothing to bitch about as the cancer is gone and I haven't had a cold or flu in over 5 years where as I used to get a cold a 2 or 3 times a year.

Until now, however, we didn't engage in any "social distancing". We would hit a casino about 5 or 6 times a year, go to to the theater about as often, shake hands with folks, take the train in to NYC, etc. That is no longer the case.

What's changed for us with the arrival of COVID-19 is the risk factor. Until now the main threat was the flu virus or pneumonia, both of which my oncologist makes sure I get vaccinated for every year. My risk of being exposed while in public to COVID-19 is much higher than my risk of being exposed to the flu and my risk of catching it if exposed is also much higher. Being 68 already makes catching the virus potentially more lethal but even if the virus doesn't kill me, I sure as hell do NOT want to be in even the 15% of the cases that are classified as just "serious". I speak from personal experience when i say that being hospitalized for anything that requires you to be hooked up to tubes is something to be avoided at all costs.

Our plan therefore is to stay home as much as possible for the next 8 weeks. I've always worked from home so that's aspect isn't an issue. instead of doing weekly grocery shopping, my wife is now doing it every other week. Another change is I no longer go with her. The casino visits are off, as are restaurants (we normally eat out about once per week). We've never been party animals nor participants in organized group activities (e.g., religious, sports, business networking) so that isn't a factor for us. I used to have a membership at a nearby fitness center but that was dropped long ago. One of our favorite activities is going for walks in the park when the weather is nice. No need to cut that out. I can't recall the last time we wen to a movie theater (streaming is so much easier and cheaper). We've always maintained a pretty well-stocked pantry and freezer so that isn't an issue either. So the bottom line is that for us, the current situation hasn't really had a major impact on our day-to-day life.
My goal of being well informed conflicts with my goal of remaining sane.
EvenBob
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March 14th, 2020 at 9:15:14 AM permalink
In 09-10, Swine Flu killed 18,000
Americans in a year. A national
emergency was called after the
first 1000 deaths. Nobody panicked,
TP and water and canned goods
didn't fly off the shelves. Entire
sports seasons weren't cancelled.

41 people die, 36 of them old old
people in a Wash State nursing
home, and all hell breaks loose.
The lives that we know grind to
a halt. Not a single person under
50 has died. Most who have it don't
even know it and recover.

Have we all lost our minds?
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
TigerWu
TigerWu
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March 14th, 2020 at 9:20:26 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

In 09-10, Swine Flu killed 18,000
Americans in a year. A national
emergency was called after the
first 1000 deaths. Nobody panicked,
TP and water and canned goods
didn't fly off the shelves. Entire
sports seasons weren't cancelled.

41 people die, 36 of them old old
people in a Wash State nursing
home, and all hell breaks loose.
The lives that we know grind to
a halt. Not a single person under
50 has died. Most who have it don't
even know it and recover.

Have we all lost our minds?



Counterpoint: How many lives would potentially have been saved in 2009-2010 if we reacted then like we're doing now?
SOOPOO
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March 14th, 2020 at 9:26:41 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

In 09-10, Swine Flu killed 18,000
Americans in a year. A national
emergency was called after the
first 1000 deaths. Nobody panicked,
TP and water and canned goods
didn't fly off the shelves. Entire
sports seasons weren't cancelled.

41 people die, 36 of them old old
people in a Wash State nursing
home, and all hell breaks loose.
The lives that we know grind to
a halt. Not a single person under
50 has died. Most who have it don't
even know it and recover.

Have we all lost our minds?



Please explain Italy then.
billryan
billryan
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March 14th, 2020 at 9:37:04 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Please explain Italy then.



Can retired Doctors be called back, either voluntarily or by an act of government in a health emergency?
redietz
redietz
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TumblingBones
March 14th, 2020 at 9:37:17 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

In 09-10, Swine Flu killed 18,000
Americans in a year. A national
emergency was called after the
first 1000 deaths. Nobody panicked,
TP and water and canned goods
didn't fly off the shelves. Entire
sports seasons weren't cancelled.

41 people die, 36 of them old old
people in a Wash State nursing
home, and all hell breaks loose.
The lives that we know grind to
a halt. Not a single person under
50 has died. Most who have it don't
even know it and recover.





Have we all lost our minds?




I think this is called asymmetrical comparison or, in layman's terms, being calendrically challenged.

EvenBob is comparing the sum total of an event with the first few days of a different event. Maybe check back in 90 or 120 days for those kinds of comparisons.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
billryan
billryan
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Forager
March 14th, 2020 at 9:38:23 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Please explain Italy then.



Fake news, obviously.
redietz
redietz
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March 14th, 2020 at 10:12:01 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Please explain Italy then.




It's simple. Italy lacks American exceptionalism. LOL.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
rawtuff
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March 14th, 2020 at 10:42:33 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

In 09-10, Swine Flu killed 18,000
Americans in a year. A national
emergency was called after the
first 1000 deaths. Nobody panicked,
TP and water and canned goods
didn't fly off the shelves. Entire
sports seasons weren't cancelled.

41 people die, 36 of them old old
people in a Wash State nursing
home, and all hell breaks loose.
The lives that we know grind to
a halt. Not a single person under
50 has died. Most who have it don't
even know it and recover.

Have we all lost our minds?



The prognosis on coronavirus in the next 6 months or so is so much worse than the Swine flu it's not even funny.
Millions. Let's just hope it doesn't go to the upper predicted limit. But it doesn't seem like it judging by the Italy situation development.
DRich
DRich
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March 14th, 2020 at 10:54:06 AM permalink
Quote: rawtuff

The prognosis on coronavirus in the next 6 months or so is so much worse than the Swine flu it's not even funny.
Millions. Let's just hope it doesn't go to the upper predicted limit. But it doesn't seem like it judging by the Italy situation development.



When it kills 1% of the population I will start taking it seriously.
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