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Yoyomama
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November 4th, 2010 at 2:16:41 PM permalink
Most Casinos are fine. I know pretty much the odds of me winning are for the games I play.

What is bad are the smaller casinos living of the locals. In NY, they are all indian/state owned. Lots of locals flushing their paychecks down the toilet (slots).
soulhunt79
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November 4th, 2010 at 3:12:24 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Most people in this thread remind me of people I know. I have discussions with the ones that go to casinos and they all say they know they can't get ahead, but I know they don't believe it. They say stupid things like "I see people around me winning all the time", assuming the person is now ahead of the casino. They have no idea that the woman who just won $2000 on a slot had to put in $3000 over the last month to get it. Casino patrons remind me of cigarette smokers. They know the dangers of smoking, they even know people that have died of it. But they think it will never happen to them. I know at least 2 people who were lifetime smokers and were shocked when they got lung cancer. Casino people say they know the odds, but they don't think it applies to them, I'm convinced of it.




So just because a company makes a product that people can become addicted to makes them evil? Is Pepsi evil for making soda? Are all NY deli's evil for giving you sandwiches with like 3 lbs of meat on them?

Casinos are absolutely taking advantage of people wanting to risk some money in hopes of winning some. I simply don't see this as being evil. Many companies charge me more for a product than they need to. Some certainly may consider those companies evil as well. When you start saying most things are evil, the term loses something to me.
DorothyGale
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November 4th, 2010 at 3:40:05 PM permalink
Quote: soulhunt79

So just because a company makes a product that people can become addicted to makes them evil? Is Pepsi evil for making soda? Are all NY deli's evil for giving you sandwiches with like 3 lbs of meat on them?

Casinos are absolutely taking advantage of people wanting to risk some money in hopes of winning some. I simply don't see this as being evil. Many companies charge me more for a product than they need to. Some certainly may consider those companies evil as well. When you start saying most things are evil, the term loses something to me.

I haven't wanted to chime in on this ... too risky, too many hot headed APs, but hey, why not ... Kansas is still a fierce red state ... and the dust doesn't need-a-waterin' today ...

My experience is that APs live by the mantra "Casinos are Evil." On some sites, if you utter any words to the contrary, you are shunned ... it is the expected demeanor and attitude every good person should have ... anyone who is in any way associated with gaming, other than being an AP, is complicit in this evil, and therefore is evil themselves ... anyone who knows how casinos make their money and does not believe they are evil is also part of the evil.

This "blanket of evil" is justification to attack casinos righteously, in the name of doing good by extracting money from the evil casinos. It is not enough to get a legal edge and make money by playing a skilled game, APs also proselytize their religion. And, like many cults, APs act venomously towards anyone who dares caution toward the boundary ...

Posting that "Casinos are Evil" is a way of furthering the social agenda of the AP world and has no basis in fact.

A good warning that a group is dangerous is hearing them say a malevolent "All" towards any group or organization. All casinos are evil. Casinos are run by people. Therefore, all people who work for casinos are evil. All Christians are evil. All republicans are evil. All bank presidents are evil. All Nazi's are evil. Give me a break ... APs are dangerous because of this all pervasive group think.

If you think the dealer in the poker room who talks about her struggles, just getting by, how happy she is for this job, her new boyfriend, makes cookies for the players, and is just doing a job, is evil, then you are living a sad, lonely, and dark life, full of arrogance and righteousness.

Ms. "Most people are good people" D.
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"
EvenBob
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November 4th, 2010 at 3:56:57 PM permalink
Do I think casinos are evil? Yup. Does that mean I'll stop going? Nope. I have a method of playing that keeps me very close to even, its almost impossible for a casino to get the best of me. Would the casino like this if they knew? Hardly. But I have the best of it because I recognize them for what they are, and to them, I'm just another sucker.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
DorothyGale
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November 4th, 2010 at 4:04:03 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Would the casino like this if they knew? Hardly.

This is another issue APs have ... they think the casinos care about them ... sure, if you're beating up on the casino, or if you're at a sweat shop, they'll be annoyed ... but most just don't care ... they are much more preoccupied with getting accurate ratings for comps, where considerably more money can be lost by getting it wrong ...

You think far too highly of yourself if you think casinos give a damn about you ... even if you are even, Bob ... frankly, my dear ...

Ms. D.
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EvenBob
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November 4th, 2010 at 4:36:12 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale



You think far too highly of yourself if you think casinos give a damn about you .



And you are naive if you think they don't. Its on a person to person basis. For every 10 suits that could care less, you'll find one that does care. You'll find one thats a company man, one that you have to avoid. And thats all it takes. Just one.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Mosca
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November 4th, 2010 at 5:03:09 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Bah!

Yeah, if your son tells you he's going to the ball "game" tonight, and tomorrow you find out he sold all your wife's jewlery at the pawn shop to put money on a roulette "ball", feel free to not call it gambling, but gaming.

I'm just pointing out that I believe it's an intentional emphuemism that "gaming" companies use, but practically no average joe or jane outside the industry ever bothers to refer to this "gaming" as anything but gambling. If you tell someone you play poker, they'll most likely never say, "Oh, you're a gamer aren't you?"

Furthermore, when they legalized gambling in Nevada, that's what they called it. I'm almost positive it's an intentional marketing ploy (probably from the heyday of the gambling's connection to mobsters, booze, and prostitution.,)

Lastly, calling it gaming doesn't specifically tell you whether wagering is going on -- so, it's not nearly as precise as calling it, "the gambling industry".



Oh, I don't know. To me, I'd call it "gambling" if I didn't have any idea of the odds, or if I felt it was an even bet. I'd call it "gaming" when I knew that the odds were against me, but I'm paying to play a game.

I know that's semantics, but it shows how the terms mean different things to different people. "Gaming" means to me that the fun is in the play. "It's not whether you win or lose, but did you have a good bet?"
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Mosca
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November 4th, 2010 at 5:06:33 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Does it make the casino evil that they take your money, knowing you have no chance of getting the best of them, and you could go bankrupt as a result and the casino could care less?



The whole question is like an indictment of capitalist society. In what way does the answer matter? Is there a point to pondering it?

Let me ask you: Is going to a restaurant and paying for a really fine meal the culinary equivalent of prostitution... or would you rather just decide between the fish or the beef?
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weaselman
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November 4th, 2010 at 5:58:54 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale


All casinos are evil. Casinos are run by people. Therefore, all people who work for casinos are evil. All Christians are evil. All republicans are evil. All bank presidents are evil. All Nazi's are evil. Give me a break ...



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APs are dangerous because of this all pervasive group think.


All of them, I presume? :)
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
teddys
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November 4th, 2010 at 6:01:03 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Bah!

Yeah, if your son tells you he's going to the ball "game" tonight, and tomorrow you find out he sold all your wife's jewlery at the pawn shop to put money on a roulette "ball", feel free to not call it gambling, but gaming.

I'm just pointing out that I believe it's an intentional emphuemism that "gaming" companies use, but practically no average joe or jane outside the industry ever bothers to refer to this "gaming" as anything but gambling. If you tell someone you play poker, they'll most likely never say, "Oh, you're a gamer aren't you?"

Furthermore, when they legalized gambling in Nevada, that's what they called it. I'm almost positive it's an intentional marketing ploy (probably from the heyday of the gambling's connection to mobsters, booze, and prostitution.,)

Lastly, calling it gaming doesn't specifically tell you whether wagering is going on -- so, it's not nearly as precise as calling it, "the gambling industry".

Of all people, Harrah's is actively pushing the "gambling" terminology heavily now with their Horseshoe properties. They use "gambling" in place of "gaming" at every opportunity: "Home of the gambler," "Never gamble hungry," etc. I'm all for it.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4

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