Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: TigerWuIf he had an alibi and that can be proven, or if it can be proven that someone ELSE murdered the homeless man, it would exonerate him.
If you notice, I Specifically did not mention which homeless man, nor give a specific date. So he is basically 'unexoneratable'
Quote: SOOPOOIt can NEVER exonerate anyone!!
This is such a joke. Have heard at least
half a dozen former Fed proscutors in
the last few days say "HUH??" They
never exonerate anyone, how would
that work. They can only determine
if there are crimes in the evidence
they have. They can't say there
were no other crimes done by an
individual, how would they possibly
know that. So how could they
exonerate him.
Mueller really pissed off a lot of
people in his profession with this
stupidity. And all the lawyers in
Congress know what he did is
a stupid political trick just to keep
the witch hunt alive.
Quote: SOOPOOIf you notice, I Specifically did not mention which homeless man, nor give a specific date. So he is basically 'unexoneratable'
And the Mueller reports names lots of names and gives lots of specific dates. How is the homeless murder scenario relevant to this?
Quote: EvenBobThis is such a joke. Have heard at least
half a dozen former Fed proscutors in
the last few days say "HUH??" They
never exonerate anyone, how would
that work. They can only determine
if there are crimes in the evidence
they have. They can't say there
were no other crimes done by an
individual, how would they possibly
know that. So how could they
exonerate him.
Ah, so Trump was wrong when he said the report exonerated him.
Quote:Mueller really pissed off a lot of
people in his profession with this
stupidity. And all the lawyers in
Congress know what he did is
a stupid political trick just to keep
the witch hunt alive.
What lawyers in Congress have said this?
Quote: billryanHave you read the report? Mueller accumulated evidence of eleven separate attempts to obstruct justice.
Also, not sure why attempted obstruction gets a pass. Lots of attempts are crimes just for attempting them. For instance, if an undercover agent hears an order to attempt a murder of a spouse (happens all the time in hiring hit men cases) they arrest the person for attempted murder.
Trump is guilty as Hell.
Quote: TigerWuAh, so Trump was wrong when he said the report exonerated him.
That's his non legal opinion. A prosecutor
has no power to exonerate anybody for
crimes they have no idea about. Prosecutors
are appalled Mueller put that in there,
totally unprofessional. To top it off, Trump
was never accused of any crimes, this was
a witch hunt to find crimes, which is illegal.
Mueller looked under every rock on the
planet trying to hang something on Trump,
anything he could be charged with.
675 days
19 lawyers
40 FBI agents
2,800 subpoenas
500 search warrants
500 witness interviews
230 oral communication record requests
50 “pen register”phone wiretaps
13 foreign governments contacted
2 pre-dawn SWAT raids
$25 to $40 million spent
And they found zip, nada, squat. Yet Jabba
Nadler thinks he will find something? What a
joke the Dems are making out of themselves.
Good to see the current leader of our country take some time out of his busy schedule to golf with Donald.
Quote: EvenBob
675 days
19 lawyers
40 FBI agents
2,800 subpoenas
500 search warrants
500 witness interviews
230 oral communication record requests
50 “pen register”phone wiretaps
13 foreign governments contacted
2 pre-dawn SWAT raids
$25 to $40 million spent
And they found zip, nada, squat.
Oh! I see... we're playing that game where we ignore the 215 criminal charges, 38 indictments or pleas, five prison sentences, over $40 million in seized assets, and multiple ongoing state and federal investigations involving Trump.... all of which were a direct result of the Mueller investigation.
That's a funny way of saying "winning."
Quote: ams288These two fat f**ks golfed together yesterday.
Good to see the current leader of our country take some time out of his busy schedule to golf with Donald.
Fake news.
Trump said he would be so busy he wouldn't have time to golf.
And everyone knows Sean Hannity is our President.
Quote: TigerWuOh! I see... we're playing that game where we ignore the 215 criminal charges.
No, we're playing the game where nothing
was found about the person the investigation
was targeting. Trump. Zero, nada, squat about
him.
I wonder how long before the election Mueller knew there was no collusion?Quote: EvenBobNo, we're playing the game where nothing
was found about the person the investigation
was targeting. Trump. Zero, nada, squat about
him.
Quote: EvenBobNo, we're playing the game where nothing
was found about the person the investigation
was targeting. Trump. Zero, nada, squat about
him.
If you read the letter appointing the Special Council, you'll see you are mistaken. Mueller was charged with investigating links between the Trump Presidential Campaign and Russia and anything arising out of it. It started looking into the campaign, not trump himself. The investigation spread into an examination of Trump after evidence pointed that way.
But Trump was totally exonerated. The man with the most amazing memory of anyone ever couldn't recall the answers to 37 different softball questions. MAGA.
Quote: EvenBobNo, we're playing the game where nothing
was found about the person the investigation
was targeting. Trump. Zero, nada, squat about
him.
Bless your heart.... It's been two years and you don't even know what the Special Counsel Investigation was even about. Trump was NOT the target of the investigation. The Russian government was, as were individuals associated with Trump's campaign. I'm ALMOST embarrassed for you. Almost.
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian govemmenfs efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.
Source
Quote: petroglyphI wonder how long before the election Mueller knew there was no collusion?
Somebody has to explain to the Dems
that beating Hillary wasn't a crime. That's
what they want to convict him of. The
fix at the highest levels for Her winning
was so deep and so corrupt, they had
do everything possible to get rid of
Trump before the truth came out.
Too late now..
Quote: EvenBobSomebody has to explain to the Dems
that beating Hillary wasn't a crime. That's
what they want to convict him of. The
fix at the highest levels for Her winning
was so deep and so corrupt, they had
do everything possible to get rid of
Trump before the truth came out.
Too late now..
Oh, god, don't tell me you're on the QAnon bandwagon now.... lol...
Quote: EvenBobThat's his non legal opinion. A prosecutor
has no power to exonerate anybody for
crimes they have no idea about. Prosecutors
are appalled Mueller put that in there,
totally unprofessional. To top it off, Trump
was never accused of any crimes, this was
a witch hunt to find crimes, which is illegal.
Mueller looked under every rock on the
planet trying to hang something on Trump,
anything he could be charged with.
675 days
19 lawyers
40 FBI agents
2,800 subpoenas
500 search warrants
500 witness interviews
230 oral communication record requests
50 “pen register”phone wiretaps
13 foreign governments contacted
2 pre-dawn SWAT raids
$25 to $40 million spent
And they found zip, nada, squat. Yet Jabba
Nadler thinks he will find something? What a
joke the Dems are making out of themselves.
This misleading line of spin you're spewing is the joke.
Lying and denying has brought Trump this far, so no surprise he (and you) are trying it now. People are willing to believe anything, I guess, despite facts in evidence. And it's been proven repetition makes people think something is true, so no surprise the lies keep getting told.
Mueller was told he could not indict a sitting President. End of story on why it didn't get done yet.
If the name in the Mueller report was Clinton instead of Trump, impeachment hearings would already be scheduled. But Elizabeth Warren was right - this level of corruption and abuse of power is not about being a Democrat or Republican. It's about what we as Americans have a right to expect from our leadership. And this is, and has been, an EPIC FAIL of leadership, and they need to be accountable.
How long has Obama been lying about Michael''s d***?Quote: beachbumbabsThis misleading line of spin you're spewing is the joke.
Lying and denying has brought Trump this far, so no surprise he (and you) are trying it now. People are willing to believe anything, I guess, despite facts in evidence. And it's been proven repetition makes people think something is true, so no surprise the lies keep getting told.
Mueller was told he could not indict a sitting President. End of story on why it didn't get done yet.
If the name in the Mueller report was Clinton instead of Trump, impeachment hearings would already be scheduled. But Elizabeth Warren was right - this level of corruption and abuse of power is not about being a Democrat or Republican. It's about what we as Americans have a right to expect from our leadership. And this is, and has been, an EPIC FAIL of leadership, and they need to be accountable.
I have decided that it would be a waste of my time and effort to dispute your misconceptions, misinformation and spin concerning Mueller’s report here (I'm sure that all of you are extremely disappointed).
I do agree with the statement of one poster, who said: “they need to be held accountable”, but I’m sure that my list of people is much different. My list includes as a minimum: James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe, James Baker, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr, Obama and Bill Priestap.
P.S. One of you mentioned that President Trump couldn’t recall the answers to 37 questions. Remember back when Comey testified before Congress last year? Comey said either ‘'I don't remember”, “I don't recall’ or “I don't know” 245 (two hundred forty five) times?
Quote: FleaswatterBBB, TigerWu, billryan, rxwine and others; you guys are funny. If you were writing a book instead of posting here, it surely would be found in the fiction section.
I have decided that it would be a waste of my time and effort to dispute your misconceptions, misinformation and spin concerning Mueller’s report here (I'm sure that all of you are extremely disappointed).
I do agree with the statement of one poster, who said: “they need to be held accountable”, but I’m sure that my list of people is much different. My list includes as a minimum: James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe, James Baker, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr, Obama and Bill Priestap.
P.S. One of you mentioned that President Trump couldn’t recall the answers to 37 questions. Remember back when Comey testified before Congress last year? Comey said either ‘'I don't remember”, “I don't recall’ or “I don't know” 245 (two hundred forty five) times?
That group you are trying to reason with regarding this issue would like to see Trump brought up on charges for not rewinding his VHS tapes back in the 90's before returning them to Blockbuster.
Quote: FleaswatterP.S. One of you mentioned that President Trump couldn’t recall the answers to 37 questions. Remember back when Comey testified before Congress last year? Comey said either ‘'I don't remember”, “I don't recall’ or “I don't know” 245 (two hundred forty five) times?
Sure... and let’s get Donald questioned by Congress UNDER OATH and see how many “I don’t remember”s come out of his dumb mouth.
“The Obama administration faced pressure from lawmakers and some intelligence officials to speak out about Russian interference. Without consensus across the intelligence community on Russia’s role and motivations, and facing opposition from key Republicans, and because of concern about appearing to be trying to influence the election, the White House did not act publicly.” wapoQuote: beachbumbabsThis level of corruption and abuse of power is not about being a Democrat or Republican. It's about what we as Americans have a right to expect from our leadership. And this is, and has been, an EPIC FAIL of leadership, and they need to be accountable.
Quote: SanchoPanza“The Obama administration faced pressure from lawmakers and some intelligence officials to speak out about Russian interference. Without consensus across the intelligence community on Russia’s role and motivations, and facing opposition from key Republicans, and because of concern about appearing to be trying to influence the election, the White House did not act publicly.” wapo
So, turn that on its head.
A) Without a consensus from the intelligence community (your quote)
B) facing opposition from key Republicans (your quote)
C) Concerned about appearing to influence the election (your quote)
(Hypothetical) Obama goes on television anyway to tell America their vote is being manipulated by Russians, possibly with the cooperation of persons in the Trump campaign (they had some proof of all this, which has now proven correct), to throw the election to Trump. This is around October something, with early voting already started in many states.
Then what? Pandemonium and riots is what. Trump has roused the mob with pitchforks for over a year at this point. Not enough evidence to satisfy inquiry. What are you saying Obama should have done instead?
Quote: beachbumbabs
Then what? Pandemonium and riots is what. Trump has roused the mob with pitchforks for over a year at this point. Not enough evidence to satisfy inquiry. What are you saying Obama should have done instead?
He should have shared with the American people any credible information about a foreign government illegally attempting to influence the lectionaries. Simple.
Worrying about riots by informing the public about what they should know about is the lack of leadership that has been mentioned here. Trump informs the public about the crisis at the southern border. The left protests, sometimes peacefully, sometimes not. As the leader it is his job. If my President is aware of thousands of illegals entering our country daily and chooses not to address it that is a failure.
A single thug who was killed by police while committing a crime led to riots across the country. Giving the people information, even when they can't actually figure out the folly of their interpretation, is what America stands for. Suppressing the information is not the way to go.
If Obama really had evidence of Russian interference and hid it from the American people because he was afraid of what people would think of his motives, then SHAME ON HIM!
Edit. Somehow my formatting made it seem like the diatribe was by BBB. It was by me.
Quote: SOOPOOHe should have shared with the American people any credible information about a foreign government illegally attempting to influence the lectionaries. Simple.
Worrying about riots by informing the public about what they should know about is the lack of leadership that has been mentioned here. Trump informs the public about the crisis at the southern border. The left protests, sometimes peacefully, sometimes not. As the leader it is his job. If my President is aware of thousands of illegals entering our country daily and chooses not to address it that is a failure.
A single thug who was killed by police while committing a crime led to riots across the country. Giving the people information, even when they can't actually figure out the folly of their interpretation, is what America stands for. Suppressing the information is not the way to go.
If Obama really had evidence of Russian interference and hid it from the American people because he was afraid of what people would think of his motives, then SHAME ON HIM!
Edit. Somehow my formatting made it seem like the diatribe was by BBB. It was by me.
So, with no facts at hand, you think Obama should have put the weight of the Presidency behind an unconfirmed allegation against the opposite party while the election is happening.
Riiight.
Your standards are too low.
Facts matter. Proof matters. The office of the Presidency should not be the office of disinformation. That Trump has disrespected it to the point of cinders of credibility left does not change the need for it, it only emphasizes it.
138 million people did not die this morning.
Or maybe windmills killed them. It’s getting hard to keep all this stupidity straight.
Quote: ams288A smarter man would have someone proofread their tweets before hitting send.
138 million people did not die this morning.
Or maybe windmills killed them. It’s getting hard to keep all this stupidity straight.
138 million?
Perhaps he's launching nukes, not sending condolences.
Can’t justify a convicted felon having a gun or being a leader, but Thank You to these Patriots!
It’s time to take legal action against criminal invaders and help the hard working folks of Border Patrol do their job upholding our laws. And perhaps seeing good Americans exercising their rights to bear arms will make a few turn around.
If 1 criminal turns around, the time spent is well worth. And if proven to have made a difference, they should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Quote: rxwineQuote: ams288A smarter man would have someone proofread their tweets before hitting send.
138 million people did not die this morning.
Or maybe windmills killed them. It’s getting hard to keep all this stupidity straight.
138 million?
Perhaps he's launching nukes, not sending condolences.
138 Million dead? Sounds like he was thinking about intel he got of the goals of the radical ISLAMIC terrorists who perpetrated this crime against humanity. Somewhere Omar is working on her condemnation of this tragedy. Or maybe not.
Quote: Bozhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/militia-arrest-border-new-mexico.html
Can’t justify a convicted felon having a gun or being a leader, but Thank You to these Patriots!
It’s time to take legal action against criminal invaders and help the hard working folks of Border Patrol do their job upholding our laws. And perhaps seeing good Americans exercising their rights to bear arms will make a few turn around.
If 1 criminal turns around, the time spent is well worth. And if proven to have made a difference, they should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Disagree. Vigilante justice is not justice, due process, or acceptable procedure. These guys needed to be stopped. It was not acceptable in the Old West, in the South, or in Antifa or Militias today.
We are a Nation of Laws. It protects us all. We need to protect that process in return.
Quote: beachbumbabsDisagree. Vigilante justice is not justice, due process, or acceptable procedure. These guys needed to be stopped. It was not acceptable in the Old West, in the South, or in Antifa or Militias today.
We are a Nation of Laws. It protects us all. We need to protect that process in return.
Other than the idiot leader who is a criminal, what laws have they broken?
Comparing it to hangings and other criminal behavior in the past or present is bogus.
And I get bonus points for using Bogus in a sentence.
Quote: BozOther than the idiot leader who is a criminal, what laws have they broken?
Comparing it to hangings and other criminal behavior in the past or present is bogus.
And I get bonus points for using Bogus in a sentence.
You are starting to sound like casino security
What crimes? We held people at gunpoint but they were free to leave at any time. We didnt lay a hand on them.
False imprisonment, kidnapping, citizens arrest for misdemeanors no problem here
Quote: darkozYou are starting to sound like casino security
What crimes? We held people at gunpoint but they were free to leave at any time. We didnt lay a hand on them.
False imprisonment, kidnapping, citizens arrest for misdemeanors no problem here
Aren’t we supposed to keep gambling out of the Trump threads?
Quote: RSIf the government won't protect its people, then the people need to protect themselves.
Sherriff still needs to be the one deputizing and rounding up the posse'. Not a bunch of wacko knuckleheads.
Quote: Fleaswatter
P.S. One of you mentioned that President Trump couldn’t recall the answers to 37 questions. Remember back when Comey testified before Congress last year? Comey said either ‘'I don't remember”, “I don't recall’ or “I don't know” 245 (two hundred forty five) times?
Remember Hillary in 1995?
"Before a grand jury on July 22, l995, Mrs. Clinton used the words “I can’t recall” and "I don't remember" in answer to 50 questions. The first scandal of the Clinton presidency, the Whitewater scandal, led to 15 people being convicted of 40 crimes, including tax evasion, embezzlement and fraud."
Yet Bill and Hill walked, as usual.
Quote: rxwineSherriff still needs to be the one deputizing and rounding up the posse'. Not a bunch of wacko knuckleheads.
Circular reasoning.
Quote: BozAren’t we supposed to keep gambling out of the Trump threads?
He's just trying to build his case for martyrdom. I think they call it self aggrandizing.
Quote: beachbumbabsSo, with no facts at hand, you think Obama should have put the weight of the Presidency behind an unconfirmed allegation against the opposite party while the election is happening.
Riiight.
Your standards are too low.
Facts matter. Proof matters. The office of the Presidency should not be the office of disinformation. That Trump has disrespected it to the point of cinders of credibility left does not change the need for it, it only emphasizes it.
I'll buy your interpretation if it was just an unfounded allegation about Russian interference. But I thought there was enough evidence to have it rise above that level. You say 'no facts at hand'. I was under the impression he had lots of facts at hand.
Quote: SOOPOOI was under the impression he had lots of facts at hand.
That's the problem. All he had was a phony
unvetted pee dossier, which is the same
as having nothing at all. This is what Barr
will investigate. It was never supposed
to get this far. Mueller was supposed to
find some other crime to get rid of Trump,
he found nothing. The whole point of
the investigation was to keep they
themselves from being investigated by
getting rid of Trump.
Hypothesize all you care. The reality was total silence on the part of Washington and the continuation of cyberattacks, as "60 Minutes" showed so alarmingly tonight.Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: SanchoPanza“The Obama administration faced pressure from lawmakers and some intelligence officials to speak out about Russian interference. Without consensus across the intelligence community on Russia’s role and motivations, and facing opposition from key Republicans, and because of concern about appearing to be trying to influence the election, the White House did not act publicly.” wapo
(Hypothetical) Obama goes on television anyway to tell America their vote is being manipulated by Russians, possibly with the cooperation of persons in the Trump campaign (they had some proof of all this, which has now proven correct), to throw the election to Trump. This is around October something, with early voting already started in many states.
Then what? Pandemonium and riots is what. Trump has roused the mob with pitchforks for over a year at this point. Not enough evidence to satisfy inquiry. What are you saying Obama should have done instead?
Quote: beachbumbabsSo, with no facts at hand, you think Obama should have put the weight of the Presidency behind an unconfirmed allegation against the opposite party while the election is happening.
Riiight.
Your standards are too low.
Facts matter. Proof matters. The office of the Presidency should not be the office of disinformation. That Trump has disrespected it to the point of cinders of credibility left does not change the need for it, it only emphasizes it.
An oldie but goodie
People be triggered.
Quote: AxelWolfLOL rxwine, now your name, profile ,posts, thank you's etc will say poop with or without a Trump bump. If I take off the T we now have Rump poop. What happens when we spell something else Like Wizard? You will have to change it again and so on. Then we change back, this should be fun.
People be triggered.
All some people have to work with is crap. ;-)
#TrumpNation2020
#MAGA
If not informing the public, at least the target. Instead spies went to work illegally surveilling the opposition. Based on what Brennan, Clapper and Comey, among other important officials, have called obvious signs of typical and historical Russian activity. Instead the administration depended on its modus operandi. In this case it used semi-sweet talk like, "Cut it out," standing in for the meaniingless, "Don't cross the red line." Maybe Moscow just doesn't understand threatening Chicago street talk.Quote: beachbumbabsSo, with no facts at hand, you think Obama should have put the weight of the Presidency behind an unconfirmed allegation against the opposite party while the election is happening.
Riiight.
Your standards are too low.
Facts matter. Proof matters. The office of the Presidency should not be the office of disinformation. That Trump has disrespected it to the point of cinders of credibility left does not change the need for it, it only emphasizes it.
Quote: RSNo collusion, no obstruction, FULL EXONERATION!!!
#TrumpNation2020
#MAGA
lol
If that's the case
Why is Trump going bonkers on twitter
Quote: AxelWolfLOL rxwine, now your name, profile ,posts, thank you's etc will say poop with or without a Trump bump. If I take off the T we now have Rump poop. What happens when we spell something else Like Wizard? You will have to change it again and so on. Then we change back, this should be fun.
People be triggered.
All you guys are going to accomplish is get avatars removed for everyone.
Quote: SanchoPanzaIf not informing the public, at least the target. Instead spies went to work illegally surveilling the opposition. Based on what Brennan, Clapper and Comey, among other important officials, have called obvious signs of typical and historical Russian activity. Instead the administration depended on its modus operandi. In this case it used semi-sweet talk like, "Cut it out," standing in for the meaniingless, "Don't cross the red line." Maybe Moscow just doesn't understand threatening Chicago street talk.
1. They informed the target(s) with a series of classified briefings about it starting around September, once they were the confirmed party choices for the General. Clinton believed the briefings. Trump lied about it, didn't believe them, still claims he doesn't. You should look at the 2nd and 3rd debates and news articles around that time.
2. NOTHING the agencies did to investigate this was illegal. Not because I know the details, but because it's been investigated 3 times already, according to Congressional oversight people who have been part of it. Those investigations of procedure and causes happened under all-Republican control of Congress, and the leadership said they were satisfied with the integrity of the investigation, the probable cause for doing the investigation, and the fairness of the process. We just weren't told those investigations were happening at the time, but it was disclosed that they did happen in the past few weeks.
