teddys
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September 25th, 2010 at 9:49:03 PM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

I remember one night at a baccarat-table when the only other person there was a very-old chinese woman who, like myself, was "betting black".

After about an hour, she was ahead by about five of those plastic chip-holders of black chips. Off hand, i have no idea how much that is, but i sure wish i had followed every one of her bets. (I'm not one to "follow the leader(s)" at a baccarat-table.) Also witnessed a player clean out the dealer's purple chips, but in that case not with the degree-of-proficiency of that woman.

I mentioned it the next day to one of the regulars at that casino, and he told me that she had done something like that the day before... maybe i would've "followed her all the way to h*ll" for that second trip. At that point, heard her ask the pit for a "gold" player's card (, when that was the top level at the "new" Caesar's Windsor many years ago)... and saw her leave, apparently never to be seen again, after being denied it.

Heh. The pit probably was steaming and hated her a$$, because she was a quick and speedy winner. They like grinders who stay at the table forever going up and down. Typical Harrah's mentality; they should've given her the card even if she didn't have enough prior play.

When I went to Caesars Windsor, they just had the crummy mini-bac. The table at Niagara Fallsview is much better.
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wildqat
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September 25th, 2010 at 11:39:41 PM permalink
Quote: Garnabby

After about an hour, she was ahead by about five of those plastic chip-holders of black chips. Off hand, i have no idea how much that is...


Five racks of black? That's, like, fifty grand (each rack holds five stacks of twenty chips).

Damn.
FleaStiff
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September 26th, 2010 at 2:07:03 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

It was a very friendly table, and the guy was not a jerk, and he politely asked me to help him empty the house's reds.

I've got the time and the brain cells to pay attention to my own chips, not the dealers. Any sort of color or fills will be arranged between the dealer and the pit personnel. Its not a goal for me to achieve any sort of "side fun" with making extra work for the dealer. If I've been tipping greens and he announces to the floor: Toking up a black, that is a matter for the casino, not for me. I'm simply aware of it but not concerned with it. If a dealer has his tray being depleted of a certain color that is his problem and I'm sure he knows how to deal with it. I'm playing whatever game I'm playing. I'm not playing mind games with the dealer. My mind is on my bet and on my bankroll. I don't even focus on the dealer's tray visually much less mentally. It would be a distraction to me. I focus on my bets, my glass and occasionally the cocktail waitresses tray and legs. I do not focus on the dealer's chip tray.
Paigowdan
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September 26th, 2010 at 7:56:42 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Its not a goal for me to achieve any sort of "side fun" with making extra work for the dealer. If I've been tipping greens and he announces to the floor: Toking up a black, that is a matter for the casino, not for me. I'm simply aware of it but not concerned with it. If a dealer has his tray being depleted of a certain color that is his problem and I'm sure he knows how to deal with it. I'm playing whatever game I'm playing. I'm not playing mind games with the dealer. My mind is on my bet and on my bankroll. I don't even focus on the dealer's tray visually much less mentally. It would be a distraction to me. I focus on my bets, my glass and occasionally the cocktail waitresses tray and legs. I do not focus on the dealer's chip tray.



FleaStiff - thank you!
For a certain select gambling population, the action is not in the actual game being played, - but in taking shots at the dealer - or in creating some other game.

The dealer is responsible for controling his money rack, to include not running out of a color, particularly the most commonly used and needed one to handle table action. This is a "write up" offense.

The dealer is also in charge of running the game, and not letting players run the game on him. Failure on this is considered a termination offense.

Obviously, a sharp dealer can handle this - but what if you had a dealer who's a break-in, or had a bad day? Putting a dealer in such a position is the move of a jerk, period, end of story.

A good dealer quickly sets the ground rules, and sets up boundaries against such shenanigans, and will - along with the floor - respond with the word "No."

The player will be asked - "are you here to play Pai Gow Poker, or are you here to take shots at the dealer as your source of joy? Because if you're here to play Pai Gow - then we're your casino, but if you're to take shots at our dealers, you're done for tonight. Security will escort you to your car, thank you." I've heard floormen say this, God bless them.
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dudestupid
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September 26th, 2010 at 8:16:11 AM permalink
I once tried to walk away from a craps table after a good run with a large amount of reds. I was going to sit down to at an adjacent blackjack table 6 feet away, and the pit boss politely asked me to color. They were running low, because the whole table had been winning.
I could see how that would be a pain in the butt to the dealers if they ran out of chips for such a large number of players.

I feel like this is equivalent to paying for your meal at McDonald's in pennies. They will have to count those 400 pennies there at the counter. Then at the end of the shift, they will have to count them again, to make sure the cash register balance is correct. If you are paying in pennies because you're a panhandler and that's how you make your living, I guess that's OK. But you're a pretty big jerk, if you are just trying to amuse yourself at the expense of an underpaid employee.
NicksGamingStuff
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September 26th, 2010 at 8:26:35 AM permalink
My only comment on this is that I was annoyed once when the dealer asked me to color up my ten red chips when I was the only one playing and the rack had plenty of reds in it, I was just moving to another table a few feet away! But I allowed the dealer to color me up because he asked, and then proceeded to get change 3 tables over!
Paigowdan
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September 26th, 2010 at 8:44:03 AM permalink
Ten red chips is pretty minor; that is usually an automatic "okay, go with it." But $100 or more in $5 chips usually indicates a color up - unless the rack is over-filled.

Sometimes I have a couple of players come to my table with a stack of red each ($100 each in red) when my rack is already full in red. When they color up, I then have to give the red back.

The best rule is to follow the advice of the dealer or floorman running the game; if he asks for a color-up, then oblige; if he asks that you take some red, then also oblige. When receiving change at a grocery store for $10, do you make an issue of getting a ten, versus two fives, or a five and five ones? No. Same here.
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Melman
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September 26th, 2010 at 9:05:28 AM permalink
I've had times where I've got $300+ in reds in front of me, betting $10 to $20 a hand. I've tried to color up $100 or more while I was playing. Not wanting to cause trouble... planning to keep playing. With room in the rack for the reds I was trying to turn in, and with plenty of greens available. And I've been told "sorry, I can't do that".

What's that all about? I mean, they don't know whether I intend to start playing green, or what. I've never been able to figure out a reason for this behavior - whether it really is a rule they have to follow, or if the dealer is just being a jerk for no good reason.

When this happens, I usually say "fine, then color it all up, I'm done here."
BigTip
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September 26th, 2010 at 9:07:56 AM permalink
I can see where somebody would make a game of getting all the reds out of a rack. People are entertained by different things. He might thought it would NOT annoy the dealer.

It's fun to empty a rack though. We were at a Casino Royale crap table once on a GREAT run. They were seriously running out of chips. The dealers were a little embarrassed because the felt where the last couple of stacks use to be were all dusty. The felt in those places had not seen the light of day in a long time. All of us at the table were very amused and pleased with that sight.
Paigowdan
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September 26th, 2010 at 9:13:54 AM permalink
What that's about is this: if the dealer or floorman know that you're not playing a game, and they can safely color you up at the end, then fine, as this avoids a "mid play" color-up if it isn't necessary, because they still had enough red, and you were focused on the game itself.
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