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Ibeatyouraces
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April 6th, 2016 at 2:48:24 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Yes. My players love it.


ZCore13


It's popular in Missouri.
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April 6th, 2016 at 3:08:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Buzz, is that you?

Lets hope not this guy was kinda rude with most of his posts. Probably not the best idea to burn bridges or agitate people when you're trying to get a table game out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 6th, 2016 at 10:28:06 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

6 deck Holdem game. 5 of a kind suited is the top hand. Players get dealt 4 cards and choose which 2 they want to use.

ZCore13



Ooohh.. I would like that a lot. Kind of my fat/salt/sweet taste point. I like UTH. I like Omaha. and I like 7 card bonus sidebets. Put a bug joker in there and I'm swooning...
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Ibeatyouraces
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April 6th, 2016 at 11:05:15 PM permalink
http://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-shootout/
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April 6th, 2016 at 11:15:02 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

http://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-shootout/



Yeah, I had gone to look it up and post it, and you beat me to it. Thanks! :)

Where is this game being played besides Zcore's place (I'm a couple thousand miles from him)? Somebody said Missouri?

Can't say I'm fond of the HE or EOR Mike shows, with the dealer taking ties, but I do like the split option where you can add a second good hand, and that you don't have to increase your ante to play.

Bonus table 2 10+%HE? Yikes, Zcore (assuming that's the one you're playing with the 75:1 SF)!

I'm guessing I must've walked past this game somewhere, but I don't recall ever seeing it offered.
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Ibeatyouraces
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April 6th, 2016 at 11:19:00 PM permalink
Yeah, a couple places in MO have it. I know Ameristar KC for sure. Can't remember the others.
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May 24th, 2016 at 12:21:36 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I see no reason someone couldn't counterfeit dice with the same numbers.

It's probably happening.



It's actually almost certainly NOT happening. The reasons why aren't important. But it certainly could in theory. A hot stamp machine will run you about $500 online. Getting the right fonts for the numbers is child's play - they're simply copied off of identical dice purchased in the gift shop and a vector graphic is created in Illustrator or Photoshop. Send that to any of a dozen companies that make hot-stamp numbers for a variety of perfectly legitimate uses and $50 later you have a set of numbers.

Have a buddy play craps for a bit on a given table and figure out the numbering used for that shift/day. Up in your hotel room it'll take you about 20 minutes to heat up the machine and stamp your gaffs. Now you're ready for action.

The exact same process is used to duplicate the casino logo. Giftshop - scanner - vector graphic - Chinese companies that'll make you a stamp without asking any questions about what you intend to do with it. Run you about $30 bucks. I have a current strip casino logo hot stamp in my private collection that I use in my casino security talks and demonstrations, just to prove to the naysaying casino surveillance personnel that it CAN be done if someone is determined to make it happen.

Getting the gaffed dice is another story, but there are still makers willing to do the work. In fact, a massive run of mis-spotted dice came out of a major legitimate factory just a few years ago. The factory management wasn't aware of what was going on but still hundreds of cubes got out - the work is absolutely top notch and would fool anybody in the business as long as they were bouncing down the table - a close examination would reveal the mis-spots of course.

Weight or magnetic work is also still easily obtained if you know where to go. The best work in these areas will fool even experienced dealers and boxmen, as I've proven many times in demonstrations. I hand them a weighted pair and tell them they're legit - then I switch the weighted pair for mis-spots that are easy to pick off. Everyone compliments me on the sleight-of-hand used to execute the switch, but not a single person has ever made the weight - and they were placed directly into their hand! The same can be done with mag dice but that's almost too easy - even I can't spot mag dice without a magnet if the work is put in properly.

PS: I've done all of the above - but for a reality television show that aired in 2005 on what was then Court TV called The Takedown. We went into casinos in both Tahoe and Vegas attempting various classic methods of cheating. We cheated at craps, blackjack (3 different ways) poker, slots, and several other games that I'm forgetting now. 12 episodes in all. In the second episode, our team got mag dice onto a table in S. Lake Tahoe (with the owners' permission and a Gaming Control agent onsite to observe). The table crew, surveillance and uniformed security were not notified ahead of time as to what we were doing. They were just told a documentary on gambling was being filmed and to deal their normal game to us. It didn't go smoothly, but we got the dice on the table using sleight-of-hand switches. Of course I got "arrested" on that play, but that's a story for another day.

Jason
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May 24th, 2016 at 2:56:34 AM permalink
Quote: JasonEngland

PS: I've done all of the above - but for a reality television show that aired in 2005 on what was then Court TV called The Takedown. We went into casinos in both Tahoe and Vegas attempting various classic methods of cheating. We cheated at craps, blackjack (3 different ways) poker, slots, and several other games that I'm forgetting now. 12 episodes in all. In the second episode, our team got mag dice onto a table in S. Lake Tahoe (with the owners' permission and a Gaming Control agent onsite to observe). The table crew, surveillance and uniformed security were not notified ahead of time as to what we were doing. They were just told a documentary on gambling was being filmed and to deal their normal game to us. It didn't go smoothly, but we got the dice on the table using sleight-of-hand switches. Of course I got "arrested" on that play, but that's a story for another day.

Jason



can't find a Jason or Jason England in the credits:

Series Cast
R. Paul Wilson R. Paul Wilson ...
Himself / ... (3 episodes, 2005)
Jennifer Zorbalas Jennifer Zorbalas ...
Herself (2 episodes, 2005)
Lisa Joffrey Lisa Joffrey ...
Herself (1 episode, 2005)
Adam Grace Adam Grace ...
Himself (1 episode)
Linda Pine Linda Pine ...
Herself (1 episode)
Series Produced by
Chris Hammond ... producer (3 episodes, 2005)
John Gengl ... coordinating producer (unknown episodes)
Ed Hersch ... executive producer (unknown episodes)
Mark Hufnail ... executive producer (unknown episodes)
Lynne Kirby ... executive producer (unknown episodes)
Kelly McPherson ... supervising producer (unknown episodes)
Jim Milio ... executive producer (unknown episodes)
Damian Nieman ... co-producer (unknown episodes)
Melissa Jo Peltier ... executive producer (unknown episodes)
David Schnepp ... executive producer (unknown episodes)
Paul Wilson ... co-producer (unknown episodes)
Series Cinematography by
David Hesson ... (3 episodes, 2005)
Jeremy Settles ... (unknown episodes)
Series Film Editing by
Steven Centracchio ... (unknown episodes)
Vicki Hammel ... (unknown episodes)
Series Costume Design by
Bree Cooley ... (unknown episodes)
Series Production Management
Nicholas Bunker ... production manager (unknown episodes)
Beth Anne Jones ... post-production supervisor (unknown episodes)
Series Camera and Electrical Department
Bill Parks ... additional camera operator (1 episode, 2005)
Series Editorial Department
John Cason ... assistant editor (1 episode)
Anouk Erni ... assistant editor (unknown episodes)
Tony Nigro ... assistant editor / on-line editor (unknown episodes)
Nancy Wang ... on-line editor (unknown episodes)
Series Other crew
Karen Byrne ... assistant to executive producer (2 episodes)
Kim Crabb ... field production manager (1 episode)
Emily E. Ellis ... coordinator (unknown episodes)
Heather Mitchell ... production coordinator (unknown episodes)

it would seem to be the right links

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460683/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460683/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

PS: Vegas magician Jason England can be found mentioned in articles, with a list of his own articles, such as here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwimy_PLuvLMAhXlJZoKHSjlD7YQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcosmosmagazine.com%2Fjason-england&usg=AFQjCNEYdV_1Mgn3YB0hGnQwToCX0v_dEw&sig2=bJ0TiFBODEudPYtpFWLhDw&bvm=bv.122676328,d.bGs
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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May 24th, 2016 at 8:22:23 AM permalink
Speaking of 18 yo's in a row [earlier in this thread]....Alan recently posted up why he doesn't believe some people's craps stories -- particularly the recent one posted here on WOV, about someone having a 40 minute roll and winning $1,400.

Quote: Alan Mendelson

Over on another website (the Wizard's) there is a new poster who is talking about his new success as a starting craps player.

He has been reporting about his great wins, sometimes winning hundreds and even thousands of dollars over several days.

A lot of people over at the Wizard's forum are skeptical about his claims of being able to influence the dice and I am skeptical about the claims of how much money he has won.

Here's one example of why I am skeptical. He posted about one great winning session:

Was down $400 on a cold table and went to another table and stood just to the left side of the stick man. I get hot and I'm hitting points....

My roll goes more than 40 min and I'm up $900 plus at this point.


What's wrong with this picture? Well, it doesn't add up. Give me a 40-minute roll and I'll be up $3,000 or $5,000. But this player won back his previous $400 loss plus had a gain of $900+ for a gross win of $1300+ in 40 minutes.

Let me give him the benefit of the doubt and say he never pressed (increased) a bet, and he never hit a passline bet with odds and that he ONLY was hitting place numbers and the place numbers he was hitting were the inside numbers (5, 6, 8, 9) and he only bet $10 on the 5 and 9, and only bet $12 on the 6 and 8.

Now, about that 40 minute roll. Let's say it was a slow table and there were three rolls per minute -- about 20 seconds each. That's a slow table. At a fast table you could get four rolls a minute.

Now the math:

If he was only hitting inside numbers, each bet of $10 or $12 would pay $14.

$14 per pay X 3 per minute = $42 win per minute
$42 X 40 minutes = $1,680

It is absolutely impossible for me to believe that during a 40 minute roll several things didn't happen:

1. Bets were never increased.
2. A passline bet with odds that would have paid much more than $14 was never hit.
3. Outside bets on the 4 and 10 were never hit which pay more than $14 each.

Even if he only hit the inside numbers and never pressed he still should have a gain after the previous $400 loss of $1280. Yet, he reports a win of only $900+.

Because his math doesn't add up something else happened. And what I think happened is that he didn't roll the dice for 40 minutes.

Is it possible there were only 2 rolls per minute? If so, then:
$14 X 2 = $28 per minute
$28 X 40 minutes = $1,120

Subtract the $400 previous loss from the $1,120 win and his net would be $720. But again that would be only hitting the inside numbers, and never pressing bets, and never hitting a passline bet with odds, and never hitting outside numbers, and being at a very slow table.

Frankly, craps players are the worst for estimating time. My favorite story -- and it's something I told here -- is about the shooter who had a monster hand and during that hand I won well over a thousand dollars. At the end of the hand (turn with the dice) the base dealer on my side of the table asked us how long we thought that hand lasted? The dealer estimated a half hour -- and the other players said it was also about a half hour. But I actually had checked my watch with each shooter at the table, and his hand lasted all of 12 minutes. Again, 12 minutes. And I won well over a thousand dollars, pressing bets and taking wins, in that 12 minutes.

That's why I say give me a 40-minute roll and I'll be putting $3,000 or more in my rail.



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May 24th, 2016 at 9:21:56 AM permalink
I thought Alan was banned on this site?

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