Thread Rating:

soulhunt79
soulhunt79
Joined: Oct 8, 2010
  • Threads: 6
  • Posts: 207
February 10th, 2011 at 11:39:41 AM permalink
Quote: Pando

I live in Asia where tipping is not the norm, other than to leave some loose change (for taxis) or maybe $5 at the end of a meal if it was good. Most staff get paid a "service charge" which is built into the price which is a better way to go in my view.

I have never seen anyone tip in Macau, whether in a casino or not, other than the above mentioned.

I have never been to USA but I do know about the tipping culture.




This I can understand then. In the USA, tipping is assumed in a lot of jobs and people get paid by the bar/restaurant based on the idea that a large amount of their income will be tips. You can pay a waiter half of what you would pay anyone else because they can assume they will be tipped.


I've gone more to tipping when I leave the table. This helps me with a few things. I have a better estimate on what I want to tip at that point. Being there for 2hrs means a lot more to me than 30 minutes. I also know if they were friendly or not.

And then the standard $1 for a drink(if they weren't free, it would most likely be less), 10% ish on a cab ride, $1/bag for storage. I'm paying for the service, not the end result. The service of me sitting at a table and someone going and getting me a drink is worth something :). The service of someone coming to me to pay a hand pay is worth quite a bit less.
JerryLogan
JerryLogan
Joined: Jun 28, 2010
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 1344
February 19th, 2011 at 11:56:47 PM permalink
Quote: JustJose

Quote: mkl654321

Quote: MichaelBluejay

The reason we tip is that the kinds of workers who get tips are usually paid very poorly. The system is set up these workers get part of their pay from the employer, and part from the customers. That helps the business ensure that customers don't get bad service. More here: https://Easy.Vegas/vegas/tipping-guide



It's even worse for some categories of "service professions", where the federal minimum wage is considerably lower: $2.13/hr, instead of $7.25. If you realize that the waitress serving you your pancakes is getting paid $2 an hour to do so, you might be a tad more inclined to tip her.

It's an asinine thing, the tipping culture, but it is what it is, and any restaurant visit should come with the attendant realization that you, not the restaurant, are expected to pay the employees. It makes no more sense than being expected to slip the bank teller a fiver for every $100 you withdraw, but a LOT of cultural practices make no sense--tipping is about as archaic as putting a bone in your nose, but it will probably persist for quite a while.



I don't care how much the waitress makes. She can find another job if she doesn't approve of her $2 an hour wages. Nobody forced me into my job. I came to eat pancakes!

Mkl I agree that tipping is asinine and archaic.



If anyone tips because they are concerned about the pay earned by the servers then they are using it as an excuse for being intimidated into tipping. The 15% or 20% dumb standards mean nothing to me at restaurants. If the service is good or great then I leave what I feel like. If it had more than one flaw I leave nothing. Asia has the right idea and from what I've heard, the service industry people over there actually take pride in serving those of wealth and from the west. Over here you've got a collection of spoiled clowns who think they're owed the world for doing anything and everything. And Obama doesn't help them one bit with his lower class entitlements.

Likewise, tipping hotel cleaning staff is downright stupid. Who cares what those foreigners and minorities make, they're lucky to have a job in this country. The hotel charges me for a room and it better be a CLEAN room each day I'm there or I'll take my business elsewhere. If the hotel pays them poorly then they can check McDonalds or talk to their union steward, I don't give a crap.
Last edited by: unnamed administrator on Aug 18, 2019
Wavy70
Wavy70
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 907
February 20th, 2011 at 1:13:29 AM permalink
Point blank is those who choose not to tip say lots about this and that and I think that yada yada but when you boil it down they are cheap or living beyond their means and that extra $3 will break them.

If you do not like American society and norms please feel free to visit countries where your tip is included and the waiter has no incentive to serve you. However when you are in America please try to adapt to our society. Keep in mind that the idea of a performance based service industry proceeded the current president.
If you think Asia has such great ideas you are free to go and enjoy the culture but we Americans enjoy paying a person based on performance not along the "party" rankings.
I have a bewitched egg that I use to play VP with and I have net over 900k with it.
JerryLogan
JerryLogan
Joined: Jun 28, 2010
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 1344
February 20th, 2011 at 8:43:18 AM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

Point blank is those who choose not to tip say lots about this and that and I think that yada yada but when you boil it down they are cheap or living beyond their means and that extra $3 will break them.

If you do not like American society and norms please feel free to visit countries where your tip is included and the waiter has no incentive to serve you. However when you are in America please try to adapt to our society. Keep in mind that the idea of a performance based service industry proceeded the current president.
If you think Asia has such great ideas you are free to go and enjoy the culture but we Americans enjoy paying a person based on performance not along the "party" rankings.



More confusion. Americans have no responsibility to pay a person for the work they perform. That's their employer's job. And just as they have the right to choose jobs and careers they would like to pursue, those of us who prefer not to tip them have the same right not to do that. If you're the type to easily be intimidated by dumb thinking like "OMG, if I don't tip the cashier I'll get a dirty look!" or "the waitor didn't really do that good of a job, but I'm absolutely terrified that if I don't tip he'll give me an embarrassing shout-out as I leave!" or "I just KNOW the floorpeople are going to be saying nasty things about me if I don't give them at least a twenty".

Pure intimidation, through & through. Only weak people succumb to this nonsense, and they're exactly the ones who should be paying through the nose for it.
Wavy70
Wavy70
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 907
February 20th, 2011 at 9:53:28 AM permalink
Once again some people get confused by simple customs of America. They also can't seem to understand differing types of employment.
If you feel that the practice of tipping is intimidating I imagine you would also find simple practices that are common in the USA as down right frightening. In the case that you are a significantly weak minded person who believes that they are being intimidated to tip I would advise them to save the money they use to eat out and spend it on therapy so they don't live in fear of innocuous customs.
To help with the customs of my country since some seem confused you do not tip cashiers in a store.

When I would travel to foreign countries for work I would always look up the common customs of the country I was visiting. I would advise those visiting my country to look into ours. You may not be able to comprehend all of them but rest assured this is how it has been for generations.

Now when Americans don't tip they are either quite ignorant or as I said cheap. They use the old argument that why should I pay them. If it is a moral reason they are not tipping I have to assume they tell the host and server from the start that they are not going o be tipped. If not they are just taking advantage of a situation. But truth be told those who promulgate the no tip idea seldom go out to eat and if they do usually singly or with an intimidated spouse. Most people with a shred of common sense would be mortified and most likely end up paying the tip themselves when they end up with a skinflint for a dinner companion.

This may be helpful to those attempting to learn about my country.


American Customs and Habits
I have a bewitched egg that I use to play VP with and I have net over 900k with it.
JerryLogan
JerryLogan
Joined: Jun 28, 2010
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 1344
February 20th, 2011 at 10:06:26 AM permalink
Well then there's the difference between you & I right there. You believe you must do things that you deem customary, and I make up my own mind about them. In other words, you're a follower and probably lower level worker, and I'm not.

Here in ARIZONA (yes, it's not part of Mexico yet) the "custom" is to one-up your neighbor by loading your driveway up with as many nice cars as possible, and give them a dirty look if you catch them peeking into your yard over a shared brick wall. Our "habits" are even more pronounced. The low class makes sure they spend at least 6 hours at the local Indian casinos each week smoking and feeding the reels and poker machines; the rest of us laugh at them.
Wavy70
Wavy70
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 907
February 20th, 2011 at 10:29:29 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Well then there's the difference between you & I right there. You believe you must do things that you deem customary, and I make up my own mind about them. In other words, you're a follower and probably lower level worker, and I'm not.

Here in ARIZONA (yes, it's not part of Mexico yet) the "custom" is to one-up your neighbor by loading your driveway up with as many nice cars as possible, and give them a dirty look if you catch them peeking into your yard over a shared brick wall. Our "habits" are even more pronounced. The low class makes sure they spend at least 6 hours at the local Indian casinos each week smoking and feeding the reels and poker machines; the rest of us laugh at them.



Uh huh. It's fun on the Internet you can be everything you wish you were huh Jerbear.

But I think the custom to give dirty looks to people "peeking" over fences to spy on neighbors is universal. Seems that you are upset they don't like you "peeking" or peeping my be a more accurate description on them. Not sure where that is acceptable but in America that is the act of a pervert.
But I think we learned a lot about you with your "peeking" habits. It seems that you make up your own mind about right and wrong. These delusions tell you it's OK to stiff workers on a tip however the real danger is that you feel it is OK to go "peeking" in your neighbors yards. Where will it end? We have seen it over and over again on the news with this ilk of "person". It ends up with someone innocent hurt and the perpetrator unable to understand what they did is wrong and vile.

Very glad I don't have kids in AZ.
I have a bewitched egg that I use to play VP with and I have net over 900k with it.
JerryLogan
JerryLogan
Joined: Jun 28, 2010
  • Threads: 26
  • Posts: 1344
February 20th, 2011 at 11:00:26 AM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

Uh huh. It's fun on the Internet you can be everything you wish you were huh Jerbear.

But I think the custom to give dirty looks to people "peeking" over fences to spy on neighbors is universal. Seems that you are upset they don't like you "peeking" or peeping my be a more accurate description on them. Not sure where that is acceptable but in America that is the act of a pervert.
But I think we learned a lot about you with your "peeking" habits. It seems that you make up your own mind about right and wrong. These delusions tell you it's OK to stiff workers on a tip however the real danger is that you feel it is OK to go "peeking" in your neighbors yards. Where will it end? We have seen it over and over again on the news with this ilk of "person". It ends up with someone innocent hurt and the perpetrator unable to understand what they did is wrong and vile.

Very glad I don't have kids in AZ.



Our neighbors generally "peep" over our wall when my wife's out at the pool in her bikini. But because she's putting on the years she really doesn't mind. Then comes the part that you misinterpreted: I'm the one who minds, and I don't peep. Unless the neighbors have young girls in their 20's hanging out back, there ain't nothing better over there to look at.

Yes, I'm very capable of making up my own mind about right & wrong and not have to read some book on customs to be able to hang in there.
Wavy70
Wavy70
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
  • Threads: 15
  • Posts: 907
February 20th, 2011 at 11:48:20 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

and I don't peep. Unless the neighbors have young girls in their 20's hanging out back, .



Point made. I'm sure you have a liberal idea of what 20 is.
Very twisted world isn't it.
I have a bewitched egg that I use to play VP with and I have net over 900k with it.
buzzpaff
buzzpaff
Joined: Mar 8, 2011
  • Threads: 112
  • Posts: 5328
March 10th, 2011 at 7:19:31 PM permalink
I would gladly tip Jerry Logan to GO AWAY !!

  • Jump to: